Joplin. Cops took my gun

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so i went to the peace rally and memorial service in Joplin.
first was the main strip. Rangline Rd. were almost 1000 of us were holding signs and uplifting the victims of the Tornado. then we all move to across the university. across the street where Westburo is suppose to protest. they never did but thats a different story. i notice many were open carrying, as there was hundreds of bikers and people from all walks of life i did too.
then a Joplin City officer asks me to come over and talk to him. i told him politely i'd rather not, he politely said i needed to. so i complied. he explained that in this situation (westbaro was set to arrive any minute) that i should secure it in my car, i asked if he was gonna ask all 500 or so of the bikers there to do the same. he said no, it would just make the police more comfortable. i said no problem and headed toward my car. i got 2 steps and a captn from Kansas City grabbed me by the arm and said" NO im gonna take that gun" i asked when i could get it back and he said " WHen the president has left the area" so i got his name and hung around for 2 hours or so.
westboro never shows so after all the bikers left the parking lot i drove my car up so i can sit in the shade. he come to my window and says "lets go get it" only to press me up aginst my car and start patting me down. ***? i mean he already took my gun right?
then he says hes gonna arrest me for possession for a firearm on a presidential
route. im like "okay? how about all the other people that had guns."
he says "thats not the point"
i didnt argue with him past that point.
but how is anyone suppose to know what route the POTUS is going to take?
its a guarded secret until right before they take it.
i and everyone there wasent even at the university to see him speak or drive in.
anyhow a Joplin Detective
in uniform took down my info and said he was gonna give it to the DA to see if he wanted to file charges. otherwise i could go pick up my gun and ammo from the police station.
he didt arrest me, gave me his card and said e mail was the best way to reach him. i wonder now if he was just appeasing the police captn that was being such a dick to me.
i thanked him for his professionalism and went on my way.

im so freaking pissed. :fire:

this was my only personal carry weapon too.
 
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I'd suggest contacting the NRA right away. This is a very sensitive subject post-Katrina.

Write down every detail that you can remember. If you choose to take legal action, this will prove very valuable to your attorney.
 
Those freaks from westboro baptist church get more police protection than the president himself.

I am sorry that you have to go through the hassle. I am glad you kept your cool those sorry bastards are not worth getting arrested.
 
Westboro. The only people I wish would never exist. Freaks and such. A Kansas City cop should have no jurisdiction outside his city.
 
Oh that pesky bill of rights.....:fire:

Please take this and get some help. This needs to be resolved and these types of things changed.
 
Is it even illegal to be in possession of a firearm on a presidential route? I am not so sure. Do our constitutional rights not exist when we are in his presence?

You were right to comply with the police, even if they were wrong. That keeps you clean if and when you have to go to court for something.
 
Dreamcast, some states have unversal jurisdiction, a cop POST certified and employed in that function in that state is a peace officer wherever he/she does in that state, on or off duty. They can get in deep doo-doo by poking thier noses where not wanted by other departments, but they are still peace officers.
I was stopped in my armored truck when Clinton visted Tucson back in the day - something about a bulletproof truck with armed staff inside chapped thier hides when the Pres was going by. Not one person even thought of trying to disarm us, and frankly, it woudn't have happened, either.
Get an attorney now, ask the NRA for help, and get it rolling.
 
A Kansas City cop should have no jurisdiction outside his city.
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Don't now about Kansas, But in Washington State a Police Officer is Cerified by the state and is a Po1lice Officer in the state of Washington. Further about every jurisdiction has signed aide agreement with each each other. Just saying.......
 
wow, I'd check with the NRA and others to do all I could if it were me. If you do so please keep us posted
 
That does not sound right, at all. I'd be curious as to what statute he was referring to, as well. Please keep us updated, and good luck.
 
I'd say the Kansas City cop was there as part of the security detail for Obama in some form, so yes, he'd still be technically in his jurisdiction. I know locally, when the President, or even a Presidential candidate comes around, they get local LEO's as part of the security detail.

And, depending on how close to the route the motorcade was to the OP's location, I'd guess your right to be armed could (and would) be denied unless you were armed for your job, like the example of the armored car guards.
 
OP hit the nail on the head. How can you avoid breaking some stupid rule/law about what you can or cannot have or do on a Presidential route if there's no way of knowing you're along or intersecting with one ahead of time?
I wish they would give more notice of Presidential visits... most sane people would want to avoid the traffic messes that result from them.
 
I really hope to just get my gun back. i knew once it was forcefully taken from me unlawfully every word i said and every action i made would be the common dominator for all gun owners. i chose to be diplomatic and not challenge them.
we settle things in court like our forefathers designed. i could have fought as i was assaulted, its not like i cant.
I'm a 4th degree blackbelt, cage fighter, i train LEO's all the time, i have over 200 bikers behind me who just beat the **** outta a westboro impostor.
but theres no honor in getting charged with assault on police officers.
especially when theres good officers in the way because one has a superiority complex.
 
Get a 2nd Amendment savvy attorney and see what he can do. Also contact the NRA and Second Amendment Foundation to try and peak their interest. I thought the "roving no gun zone" law concerning politicians' whereabouts was something that was being considered but so far is a no go because of the unpredictability of the route. It sounds like you are the victim of a B.S. political stunt by the dept. to make them look good. You kept a good attitude throughout though. That will only help you. Good Luck.
 
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There is no such law. I hope they charge you so you will have proof of the violation of your rights. There is no way anyone can know what a predidential route is until the last minute. They do that on purpose. There are sterilized areas near the president when he is outside the car. But they have to cordon off the area so you would know if you were in it or outside it.
 
The whole thing sounds flaky to me. The fact that only the OP was disarmed makes me wonder why.

I guess we will never know, but something is out of kilter in my view. It may be the cop, and is if the OP is accurate, or it may be there is a lot left out of the OP.

Personally I would not carry OC at a protest, but if legal go for it. However, one should not be surprised at being hassled.

Regards,
Jerry
 
The whole thing sounds flaky to me. The fact that only the OP was disarmed makes me wonder why.

I guess we will never know, but something is out of kilter in my view. It may be the cop, and is if the OP is accurate, or it may be there is a lot left out of the OP.

Personally I would not carry OC at a protest, but if legal go for it. However, one should not be surprised at being hassled.

Regards,
Jerry
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It is sad when free men accept being hassled for something that IS legal. Personally I would not be surprised at being hassled, but I would not accept it either. Be prepared, know the law, know your rights, and assert them vigorously.
 
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