Jose Padilla

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So does this mean the Fore Fathers would be considered terrorists by today's " standards " ?

Isn't it disturbing, though, that the entire country knows, or should know, about this, and there haven't been mass protests?
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Disturbing yes, surprising no. One has to realize that the new Star Wars
movie just came out. That's what most everyones' concerned about right
now.. :rolleyes:
 
Then charge him with a crime and take him to court. Mcveigh had a lawyer and his day in court...
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Agreed ... anyone want to guess why this hasn't happened? (I'll give you a hint ... it might poke holes in the theory that OKC was caused by Rush Limbaugh and the White Supremacist Militia movement)
 
Agreed ... anyone want to guess why this hasn't happened? (I'll give you a hint ... it might poke holes in the theory that OKC was caused by Rush Limbaugh and the White Supremacist Militia movement)
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Zundfolge,

Very intereseting indictment. Do you have any other evidence of Padilla being John Doe #2?

I am sure I will get accussed of wearing a tin-foil-hat, but I also think that there is some credibility to the notion that several of our air "accidents" in the last few years were really acts of terrorism.

To bad us little people have no idea what is going on, since half the information in the known universe seems to be "classified" nowadays...
 
Once again: Charge him, try him, convict him and execute him. Or let him go.
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Agree 100%. Have written this many times myself.



I simply fail to understand those who participate in, or support such actions on the part of the government. If I worked for the federal government, I would have to resign in protest over this.

But I know that no one will. A steady paycheck obtained by following orders beats 'priniciples' every day, right? :barf:
 
Once again: Charge him, try him, convict him and execute him. Or let him go.
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+1.
This isn't the way things are supposed to be done in America. If he's a terrorist, prove it in court, get him convicted and punished. If you can't prove it, and don't have a case, release him.
 
At the risk of being labeled a Statist Thug, might I point out that even as one part of our government is asking to hold Padilla without charges, another branch is ordering that he be charged or released?

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=127974&highlight=padilla+release

That was more than 45 days ago, so apparently the expected appeal was filed, but this is NOT a case of Padilla being held and everyone just going along with it. At least one federal judge has already given orders to the contrary, and if the feds lose their appeal(s) he'll either be charged or walk.

Obviously that doesn't make what the Executive has done here right, but Police States generally do not have courts with the capability and inclination to force the Police State to give its prisoners due process.


Might I further point out that the only connection that has ever been found or alleged between Padilla and McVeigh is that one sketch, and that there can't be more than a few MILLION men in America who could also fit that sketch?
 
At least one federal judge has already given orders to the contrary, and if the feds lose their appeal(s) he'll either be charged or walk.
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Maybe.

Three years late.
 
Does anyone know if Padilla has met with anyone outside of the gov't? Has there ever been a statement from him via a third-party concerning this?
 
That was more than 45 days ago, so apparently the expected appeal was filed, but this is NOT a case of Padilla being held and everyone just going along with it. At least one federal judge has already given orders to the contrary, and if the feds lose their appeal(s) he'll either be charged or walk.

Obviously that doesn't make what the Executive has done here right, but Police States generally do not have courts with the capability and inclination to force the Police State to give its prisoners due process.
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Most people prefer to see the government was one entity, rather than a collection of different entities often moving in different directions. Trying to get every agency to agree with every other agency is akin to herding cats.

I see this as a Good Thing.
 
That was more than 45 days ago, so apparently the expected appeal was filed
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Or, alternatively, the Bush adminstration decided to flagrantly ignore the order of the court. See also: US v. Moussaoui, in which the DoJ was ordered to allow Moussaoui to question the witnesses against him (you know, the bit about being "confronted with the witnesses against him"), and the administration refused to allow him to do so.

I don't know if the appeal was filed or not, but it's folly to assume that just because this administration didn't let him go means that they followed the conditions required for that action.
 
Which is more dangerous: Padilla on the streets, or a government which can imprison anyone indefinitely without charges or a trial, based on secret evidence?

Padilla was (is) a stupid thug, as far as I can tell. His problem was that he was too darn stupid to be an effective terrorist. Ignorance can be fixed, but stupid cannot. This guy is incapable of becoming a major threat. Our government, OTOH, seems quite capable to me.
 
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