Judge rejects gunshot residue evidence

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Anoka judge rejects gunshot residue evidence

Ruling in pool hall killings appears to be a U.S. first

BY DAVE ORRICK
Pioneer Press

An Anoka County judge has thrown out gunshot residue evidence police say helped solve the case of the killings of two men, a ruling that highlights growing skepticism across the country about such evidence.

The decision by District Judge Sharon Hall in the case of a Columbia Heights pool hall shooting last year appears to be the first of its kind in the United States, one national expert said.

Gunshot residue — long-purported by police and prosecutors to link suspects with shootings — lacks scientific backing and has no place in a courtroom, Hall wrote in a decision that became public Wednesday.

Prosecutors in the case did not comment.

Hall's ruling, which may be appealed, isn't likely to change police tactics overnight.

Police and prosecutors around the world continue to rely on gunshot residue evidence, and officials with the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension and one of its contracted labs said Wednesday they stand by their methods. Defense attorneys sometimes use the results in support of their cause when a client tests negative.

Hall wrote that because "significant questions exist in the scientific community" about the reliability of gunshot residue analysis, Anoka County prosecutors will not be allowed to tell jurors that several defendants in the pool hall shooting tested positive.

On Feb. 3, 2005, a dispute inside Jimmy's Pro Billiards spilled into a gunfight outside, peppering nearby houses with bullets. When it was over, Bunsean Lieng, 19, and Tashi Sonam Jagottsang, 21, were dead and several others were injured. Nine people have been charged with aiding and abetting first-degree murder.

Columbia Heights police and Anoka County sheriff's officers tested five co-defendants — Jason Moua, 25, Meng Vang, 26, Sai Vang, 20, Charles Yang, 22, and Grogan Yang, 19 — for gunshot residue. A private crime lab, Pennsylvania-based R.J. Lee Group, detected varying amounts of tell-tale substances on each. Prosecutors planned to tell jurors about those results as a means of linking the men to the shooting; defense attorneys successfully sought to suppress it.

Hall criticized investigators for how they collected the evidence, noting that officers cuffed the suspects one after another with ungloved hands, potentially transferring the powder among them. At one point, an officer ordered some of them to wash their hands before the test, giving weight to defense attorneys' contention that any residue could have come from the police station itself.

But more significant was what Hall said about gunshot residue analysis in general. "This court is not convinced the relevant scientific community has a generally accepted standard for interpreting what conclusions can be drawn from GSR testing and analysis," she wrote. "It is clear that significant questions exist … concerning how many particles are required for there to be a positive test."

"It is a first," said Jack King, spokesman for the National Association of Criminal Defense Attorneys, a Washington, D.C., group that has criticized the use of gunshot residue evidence. "I have found no other case, state or federal, where gunshot residue was found to be not generally accepted in the relevant scientific community.''

Patrick Sullivan, a Hennepin County public defender representing suspect Jason Moua, said the ruling should signal the death knell for the technique, which has been used for more than a decade but has come under fire following experiments that show one can pick up the substance from police stations, squad cars, clothing and even someone else's hands.

"It used to be that, generally, the courts would let anyone with a degree testify as an expert," said Sullivan, who successfully argued the issue at a March hearing with co-counsel Paul Schneck. "But now lawyers are saying, 'Wait a minute, how do you know? Where's your study that shows it proves what it says it proves?' "

In March, the FBI ceased testing for gunshot residue at its lab in Quantico, Va. Agents were unable to prevent the lead-rich powder from drifting into its laboratory space, potentially contaminating samples, the Baltimore Sun reported in May, citing FBI documents it had obtained.

But the Bureau has never publicly bashed the method, and supporters underscore that.

"The FBI stopped their testing not because it wasn't a valid technique," said A.J. Schwoeble, director of forensic sciences at the R.J. Lee Group, which is paid by law enforcement agencies around the world to analyze gunshot residue. Schwoeble, who testified for prosecutors in the pool hall hearing, said he thinks Hall is wrong. "We can never say who the shooter is, but we can say someone's in the environment."

In her ruling, Hall said that telling jurors someone has merely been in the "environment" of gunshot residue — which could mean they've been hanging around a police station — is a far cry from being useful in court. "The countless ways the defendant could pick up GSR could cause (the jury) to speculate to its source," she wrote.

In the meantime, local authorities will likely continue to test suspects for gunshot residue, said Kurt Moline, a firearms examiner for the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension's Forensic Science Laboratory.
 
I always hated the whole GSR testing thing. The fact that a fair portion of the membership at this site (including myself) will test positive virtually every day of the year makes it clear that the results should not be weighed very heavily. Its like saying that anyone in possession of an index finger is a likely suspect in a shooting for that reason alone.
 
All GSR does is prove that a person was in contact with or exposed to the residue from a gun shot. A person standing across a room will not have GSR, but the person holding the gun will have GSR. It takes more than GSR to convict a person. Its nothing more than another piece to the puzzle.
 
How does Gun Residue work in court cases?

If someone is robbing a bank and shoots the teller, that robber will have Gun Residue, right?

What if that person is 5'11", 180 pounds, with brown hair and a big build. What if also you're 5'11", 180 pounds, with brown hair and were shooting your pistol at a range. Will you also have the same Gun Residue, or is it specific to the type of gun fired? Will two different guns leave different Gun Residue?

I don't know how much faith I would place in Gun Residue. It is not as good as an eye witness. I could see it used to convict an innocent person, such as someone who shot his pistol in his back yard but who also matches the description of a criminal.

How much do prosecutors rely on Gun Residue? Is it enough to convict a person, if all they have is a matching description and the residue?
 
Forensic Evidence

I've read that 90% of the money in circulation today will test positive for cocaine . . . one contaminated bill spreads the stuff to others, to the cash drawer at the bank, to counting machines, all of which become secondary and tertiary sources of contamination themselves.

Testing today is SO sensitive I can believe GSR can be picked up at the police station, from a police car, heck, from the police officers themselves or other suspects crowded into the same cell or holding room.

I'm skeptical about fingerprint evidence, too . . . I've been fingerprinted a couple of times by different people as part of my CHL background checks, and in EACH case usable prints were not to be had. If an LEO using a regular kit with a co-operative subject has difficulty getting good results, don't tell ME you can get something usable from any dirty, greasy, or textured surface.

(I'm NOT saying ALL forensic evidence is invalid . . . I'm just saying that, IMHO, great pains need to be taken by investigators to be absolutely sure it's on the level.)
 
Chain of evidence is

still a problem, but I'll bet a gas chromatograph, or similar could differentiate defferent brands of powder. Anyone know?
 
gas chromatogarphy can diferentiate between differnt lots of powder. I helped a couple of students on their senior design this year, which was gas chromatography of various powders, the idea being a more accurate picture of just what a given surplus military powder actually is, instead of just guessing and working up a load.
 
It is not as good as an eye witness.

Eye witness testimony is notoriously error prone. Even supposedly trained observers like police officers have problems. Eye witnesses remember seeing what the investigator wants them to have seen. By the time they have repeated it half a dozen times to investigators they may actually believe it themselves.

One hopes that a jury would never convict someone on the unsupported testimony of an eye witness,or a single print, or gun shot residue. All of them I think have their place, but if that is all there is, IMO it is not enough.
 
In one test of which I'm aware (to train investigators), a shotgun was fired a few times, then laid down lengthways across the back seat of a car. It was picked up after five minutes, then someone in a clean pair of trousers sat down on that back seat. Hey presto! GSR was found on his trousers. It's that easy to pick this stuff up.

(My question to the lieutenant telling me of the test was "So - does this prove he was passing GSR gas?" He had to think about that for a while . . . :D )
 
It is not as good as an eye witness.

A disturbing number of people who have been convicted with eyewitness testimony have been released after years in prison after DNA evidence turns out not to match the DNA of the convicted person.

A classic example of the unreliability of eyewitness statements is the person who runs into a college classroom, does something surprising, runs out and the prof immediately asks the students to write a statement based on what they saw. If there are 20 students, there will be 20 different versions of the staged incident.
 
Didn't the story circulate a couple years ago that 80-90
% of US currency had drug residue on it?

So you're sniffing the big C or H.

Your bill gets mixed into the population;s bill as you grab some grub. Ciontamination of much cash in the till.

Your loud party gets busted, you get searched, and the $10 bill you got as change from the last case gets pulled into evidence. Tests positive for drugs. You're charged. Bummer!

I fear to quote statistics, because I forgot, but it might be as high as 90% of currency has a detectable amnount s drug resudue on it.

Sound fair? Noi. Enough for a DEA case? Evidently, for them. Unless you pony up the $15K for a great lawyer!
 
Sound fair? Noi. Enough for a DEA case? Evidently, for them. Unless you pony up the $15K for a great lawyer!

It worked for a very brief period of time. Now even public defenders can get that thrown out if that's all they have. Generally, the defense running the test on a random selection of bills from the Judge's/Jury's pockets is enough to discredit such evidence, taken on it's own.

Now, there's a huge difference between 'detectable levels of cocaine', and 1000 ppm. (Parts Per Million). We can literally detect parts per trillion today.

With drug testing today (urinalysis, blood, etc...), it's all about the levels. They're so sensitive that your levels of marijuanna byproducts will increase if you walk past a bar/streetcorner where somebody's smoking a doobie. But an active user's levels will be thousands of times higher. Those levels are why the test will only catch 'active' use in the last month or so. You'll still have higher levels months later, but they won't be over the threshold.
 
If i was ever in the vacinity of something like that and was tested for GSR,
as much as i target shoot, They could probably find GSR on the bottoms of my feet.
Not sure i agree with GSR as proof of guilt.
 
Redneck

so if GC can differentiate among lots of powder, it is interesting that ND wasted all that time and $$ on a ballistic ID system that did not work, and put no effort into something that might have.
 
I understand juries DEMAND CSI type stuff. They see it on TV and figure it is needed for every case.

Problem is, after they see it all on TV they seem to think its infallible, which as we've been discussing, it isn't.

As far as GSR goes, I clean and work on my guns in the family room, often while watching TV. There's probably NO piece of furniture that wouldn't test positive, and likely any piece of clothing worn in there would, too.
 
GSR by itself isn't a proof of guilt, but thrown in with other things it provides a very good case for the prosecution.

I only have one experience with GSR, and its a current case that I have so I can't go into specifics;

Suspect shoots two individuals.

Several people claim the shooter is Mr X (known to both victims)

Several casings are found at the scene along with some recovered bullets.

Mr X is found at home with key to vehicle seen leaving scene. Mr X denies being there or being the shooter.

Search warrant finds another shell casing in vehicle along with empty mag.

Gentleman walking along highway finds handgun with empty mag thrown to curb. Same caliber as shooting weapon and found mag also fits weapon. Weapon is out for ballistics.

Mr X denies any knowledge of shooting, denies being there, denies firing gun, etc.

GSR test on his clothing comes back positive for the right side of his t-shirt and pants.

Now, there is alot of other evidence that points to Mr X, but he's going to have really hard time trying to explain away the GSR.

GSR and ballistics show that a person was in proximity to fired handgun and that a handgun fired this round or marked this casing. As I said, GSR is a piece of the puzzle.

I shoot alot, reload, clean, etc. I'm sure my vehicle, furniture, upstairs, down stairs, etc could test positive for GSR. But I haven't shot a gun for a couple of days. There is not going to be any GSR on my hands. If something happens to where I have to be tested for GSR, there isn't going to be any on my hands, unless I fired a gun. If I claim I didn't fire a gun, but my hands and/or clothing tests positive for GSR, I'm going to have some explaining to do.
 
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