Judge won't imprison 84-year-old

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Friday, 01/07/05
Judge won't imprison 84-year-old


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Henry Bostic, one of 23 aging gun dealers authorities call ''the geriatrics,'' leaves federal court in Knoxville after facing charges of illegally selling firearms at a flea market. A judge refused to jail Bostic, 84.


Associated Press

He says gun dealer too frail to serve and cites man's life of obeying law

KNOXVILLE — A federal judge refused to imprison an elderly flea-market gun dealer, citing his failing health and lifelong history of abiding by the law.

''They say, 'I don't care if he's 84 and about dead,' '' Senior U.S. District Judge James Jarvis said Wednesday of prosecutors who have been trying for two years to put Henry A. Bostic behind bars.

Bostic was one of 23 gun dealers, dubbed ''the geriatrics'' by law enforcers, who were rounded up between 2000 and 2002 for illegally selling firearms, including dozens of cheap handguns, at flea markets, gun shops and homes in Tennessee.

While their lawyers claimed they were selling guns more as a social pastime than an illegal endeavor, the volume of firearms sold was huge. Authorities bought more than 600 guns from these defendants during the two-year period and confiscated 1,000 more at their homes and businesses.

''For 84 years, he's been a good citizen,'' Jarvis said of Bostic. ''That don't make any difference. They want him sent on'' to prison. ''They want to make an example of this man. They insist on it. They spent a lot of money and a lot of time appealing this. I don't think it's right.''

Defying both federal sentencing guidelines and an appeals court mandate, Jarvis said, ''I'm the one who's got to live with what I do to this man. ... We've got to do our best to do justice.''

Jarvis ordered Bostic held under house arrest and electronically monitored for a year — with the monitoring to begin as soon as the U.S. Probation Office finds the spare devices to do it.

Assistant U.S. Attorney David Jennings said yesterday that no decision had been made on whether to appeal.

The 6th U.S. Circuit court of Appeals earlier instructed Jarvis either to put Bostic and another defendant, Parke Goins, 69, behind bars or rule them so frail and ''extraordinary'' that the federal prison system could not care for them. Goins' sentencing is pending.

Tottering on his cane, Bostic appeared disoriented in court. His medical infirmities include diabetes, hypertension, heart disease, cataracts, anemia and emphysema.

Still, Jennings argued that Bostic didn't deserve probation. ''His (sentencing) guideline range is what it is, but that's because of (Bostic's) own conduct,'' Jennings said. ''I'm here because the law is what it is, and I took an oath to follow it.''

According to records, Bostic sold federal undercover officers a total of 24 pistols deemed ''Saturday night specials'' on 20 occasions before his arrest in 2002. The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives even warned Bostic in a letter in 2001 that his gun dealing was illegal. But in an encounter captured on audiotape, Bostic scoffed at the warning and continued hawking weapons.

Many defendants faced up to five years in prison and $250,000 in fines. Nine out of the 23 drew prison terms, ranging from five to 41 months. The rest received probation.
 
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"Remember, it's illegal the sell guns in AmeriKa."

Exactly. The article doesn't say what this guy did that was actually illegal. I presume he has an FFL.

Tim
 
Many defendants faced up to five years in prison and $250,000 in fines. Nine out of the 23 drew prison terms, ranging from five to 41 months. The rest received probation.

So if a bunch got probation, why is it special that he didn't get jail?
 
"I presume he has an FFL."

Nope, but you'd think he'd have gotten one after they sent him a letter in 2001 telling him he was breaking the law.

Some people can't take a hint. :banghead:

John
 
Exactly. The article doesn't say what this guy did that was actually illegal. I presume he has an FFL.
Here's your answer.
While their lawyers claimed they were selling guns more as a social pastime than an illegal endeavor, the volume of firearms sold was huge. Authorities bought more than 600 guns from these defendants during the two-year period and confiscated 1,000 more at their homes and businesses.
This guy obviously did NOT have an FFL and the ATF has ruled in the past that selling guns as a business requires a license. I have no sympathy for him.
 
A huge amount?

The article quoted someone as sayin, "the volume of firearms sold was huge."

Odd definition of huge.... 600 divided by 23 equals a hair over 26 divided by the two years equals about 13 guns per guy per year.

I know that the sales were probably not equally divided but still, seems to me that a bit over one gun a month is not what I would call a huge volume.

The other number, 1000 more confiscated from their homes, isn't really that shocking after you do the division... 1000 divided by 23 equals about 43 1/2 guns per guy. Again, a nice sized collection but seems to me I've seen pictures of folks collections on here where they were approaching 40 guns of a single type, revolvers or 1911's.

Numbers are always more impressive if you bunch them up.....

migoi
 
[sarcasm]

Yeah, lets string him up! He should of known better! Ignorance of the law is no excuse! They warned him! I don't care that he is 90% dead, the law is the law, lock him up! So what if he read the constitituon and believed it, stupidity is not an excuse! We must make an example of him to all the other 80+ year old kitchen table dealers out there, this is America and he must be jailed! The prosecutors should spend any amount of money to incarcerate this incorrigible, dangerous scoff-law!

[sarcasm off]

Ok, did I miss any of the usual comments by the law-uber-alles types? ;)
 
No, no, it's not that the gent. was selling guns. The .gov is angry because he was selling without a license which means no tax revenue for big brother.

If he had been a good serf and given 30% of his revenue to the IRS, he would still be selling today. :D

Too bad, too. I am always in the market for good used guns.

If he was selling Beanie Babies or jerky instead of the evil, fear-mongering firearms-of-death, all would be well.
 
Because the "ATF ruled", you have no sympathy for him.

I have the utmost sympathy for him, and every other US Citizen who thumbs their noses at the various thugs of FedGov. Screw 'em.
 
I have the utmost sympathy for him, and every other US Citizen who thumbs their noses at the various thugs of FedGov.
Technically, every murderer, rapist, and robber who breaks a federal law would fit under this definition. Time to loosen the tinfoil beanie.
 
"If he was selling Beanie Babies or jerky instead of the evil, fear-mongering firearms-of-death, all would be well."

Of course it would. I have sympathy for the guy. I have sympathy for anyone who won't step out of way of a speeding truck.

They sent him a letter. He ignored it and kept selling guns. Did he think they were just going to forget about it?

John
 
selling.....

all taxpayers(no, we're not "citizens" anymore)have the right to sell their personal property. :neener:
 
every murderer, rapist, and robber who breaks a federal law...

Murder isn't illegal under federal law unless you kill a federal official or employee while on duty. Rape isn't illegal under federal law at all. Robbery isn't illegal under federal law unless you rob a bank or the federal government.

State law actually does the real work. The federal government cracks our heads and protects itself. Big difference.
 
Fine let the state cops take care of him. He still deserves what he gets. Actually, he deserves more, but the judge was compassionate on him.
 
"This guy obviously did NOT have an FFL and the ATF has ruled in the past that selling guns as a business requires a license. I have no sympathy for him."

RJ, nothing in the quotation you cite indicates that he had no FFL. There is no statement anywhere in the article that he had no FFL. The article suggests, I suppose, that the "large" volume of guns bought, sold, and possessed is horrifying in and of itself. We are left to guess that it must also be illegal.

Tim
 
Fine let the state cops take care of him

I very much doubt the states care, since in most states what he did wasn't a crime at all--unless he evaded paying some state income tax on the profits.

The federal government's laws aren't there to protect anyone other than the feds themselves, and this is a perfect example of why they have no business enacting gun laws or enforcing them. Arresting these guys and putting them away did NOTHING to make anyone safer, or to improve life for anyone. It did waste some more of my money, I grant you that. And putting this guy in prison will waste more. To hades with the feds and their laws. I detest them all.
 
I am increduluous. I am bedazzled. :scrutiny:

What this old coot and his cohorts did is not even a crime.

Mr. BT (may I call you Jack?) and Mr. Jock, you must both work for the .gov.

How can a couple of guys who have each more that 2000 posts to a pro gun forum still have not learned about the 2nd amendment. They have to be on a payroll somewhere to sit in front of a computer and try to talk ordinary people into being sheep.

I am incredulous. :what:

I read what these guys write and in my mind I see troopers on horseback riding into the crowds of women and children at wounded knee, firing away. Yeah, give them what they got coming to them.

I am bedazzled.

Sorry if I made offense, I am just incredulous.
 
I tell you what. Since this does need to be discussed, I'll not close it. Yet.

There better be a lot more courteous discussion, and a lot fewer back-handed insults aimed at fellow THR Members, though.

In other words, if y'all can't put some civil tongues in your heads, go discuss things somewhere else. Period. End of discussion.

LawDog
 
I go out to do a few hours productive work and come back to this sort of a thread? Sheesh! You guys make straightening and repairing the front lip of my front-end-loader bucket seem like pure pleasure! A hundred licks with a ten-pound sledge and an hour's arc-welding make more sense...

And this sort of thing:

Quote:
I have the utmost sympathy for him, and every other US Citizen who thumbs their noses at the various thugs of FedGov.

Response:
Technically, every murderer, rapist, and robber who breaks a federal law would fit under this definition. Time to loosen the tinfoil beanie.

The response has nothing at all to do with the quote, as the context is completely different.

Seems to me there are three basic categories of crime that we have discussed at great length at one time or another here at THR: Crime against person (physical damage to somebody's body); crime against property (burglary, vandalism, etc.) and crime against rules and regulations (BATF stuff, for instance; search&seizure, and traffic laws or CHL stuff).

Now, most of you guys agree about the first two categories. The arguments come in about the third.

So if the discussion is about this third category, don't go bringing in extraneous, irrelevant comparisons with the first two. It makes browsing a thread far more peaceful if you don't...

Strong opinions don't necessitate discourtesy, and I want some serenity and time for the Aleve to take hold. :D

Rant mode off,

Art
 
ok..hes 84?know how much tax money it will take to just take care of him and his medical needs?what purpose would him serving a prison sentance be?none that I can see.kinda like beating a dead horse doncha think.I dunno,guess IM blind.

I think the sentance he got was appropriate.Im glad the judge had some compassion for him too.


yeah..if it had been a garage sale or flea market selling used clothing and dime novels(which does irratate the merchants from time to time)..the ol guy or anyone else wouldnt have even been bothered.the horror.those evil guns.
 
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