Just for fun... any thoughts???

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Freddymac

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My wack-o friend at work and I were talking, and he got me thinking.
Lets say, hypothetically, that a person had a couple of thousand rounds of ammo and maybe a gun or two that they wanted to put into “deep”, long term storage, maybe bury in a safe remote wooded location for a, just such an occasion situation, like maybe Zombies or something. What do you suppose the best method would be to seal out the elements and keep that precious cargo safe? How long do you think an ammo box would stay water tight if buried, or possibly submerged in a lake?
I usually do not ponder these kind of things, but I’ll admit, every once and awhile I like to take out the old tin-foil hat and try it on to make sure that it still fits.:D
 
1. Thoroughly lubricate the weapon - use grease if you don't plan to start blazing away immediately upon unpacking. If you plan to blaze away a good oil should suffice with CLP in the barrel.
2. Vaccuum wrap in plastic.
3. Wrap tightly in foil.

Plastic is a good protectant but will let in moisture over time. The foil will prevent moisture from getting in.

4. Vacuum wrap again in plastic.
5. Place in suitable waterproof container.
6. Repeat steps 1-2 for the ammo you plan to store.
7. Place ammo in waterproof container with weapon.
8. Tightly close and secure container.
9. Find a secure place to stash or bury container.
10. Stash or bury said coantainer.
11. Using GPS record exact coordinates as close as possible. Note any landmarks that will further narrow the location down to the foot.
12. Make copies of locations on various storage media (electronic and non-electronic) and stash where they can be retrieved.
13. Pray you never have to go get the thing.
 
DAMN!

I just used all of the foil on this hat... I'll be right back.... I have to go get more.
 
Ragnar Bensen

Author of a number of fun books. Has one called "Survival Caching" (I beleive). He advocates using PVC pipe and end-caps. Burry using post hole tool (rotary type) to dig the hole.

I have not tried this method but it seems like sound thinking.
 
if you use two pvc pipes - one just big enough for the rifle and one just big enough for the other pipe, it makes it much easier to retrieve. soil will settle around the pipe making it impossible to simply pull up. use end caps and pipe dope on the inner pipe and just end caps on the outer one. to make it even easier to pull out you can tie a bit of 550 cord around the pipe just below the end cap so you can just tug on the cord to pull the pipe out. as long as there is no ammo stored in the pipe and you ensure that it is, in fact sealed, you can just fill the whole pipe with motor oil to preserve the rifle. the motor oil will completely preclude any possibility of water or oxygen.
 
For all those planning on using GPS to navigate to their stash, be reminded that in a national emergency (e.g. foreign nations threatening to send satellite-guided weapons into the US), the Federal Government can and will alter the GPS signals so that accurate navigation is impossible. Also, if anything ever goes really, really badly wrong, in a TEOTWAWKI situation, GPS signals may be shut down altogether. Under such circumstances, you'd better know how to find your stash with a map and compass . . . :scrutiny:
 
I agree with preacherman, using GPS is a good way to not find it if you need it.

I would reccomend using the pvc meathod, although ammo cans work well if you double wrap them in plastic first.

break the rifle down so it fits

wipe it down with transmission fluid

Its a good idea to wrap the component pieces of the rifle in plastic bags or vacume seal it, make sure that most of the air is removed and there is some liquid transmission fluid in with the parts.

(don't burry anything with a scope obviously)

make sure trans fluid gets on every surface. Trans fluid does a darn good job of displacing any water that may get in.

one thing to remember is to put a block of wood in the bottom of the tube so that if water does get in, it won't pool anywhere where it will be in contact with the rifle.

The double tube meathod of burying works well, however the single tube meathod will work if you attach nylon strapping to the body tube with stainless hose clamps.

the last thing you pack in the tube should be a package of clean rags and a towel to lay parts out on with a dissassembled cleaning kit, double wrap it in plastic, put a desicate in it (get em from a shoe store, every pair of shoes has a little bag of it in the box)

Either way you do it, don't forgert to put a really really strong handle on the container, preferably attached to the bottom of it, as wet earth has a tendancy to develop a wicked vaccume if your trying to pull it out.

If you have the option of securly attaching a long nylon towing strap to the container, you can burry the strap end just a little bit under the surface and use your truck or car to pull it out in a hurry. (sometimes you don't have time to dig)

For ammunition, the same container with a block in the bottom will work, if you are packing loose rounds, its best if you use mil surp as the primers are typically waterproof and the powder can handle sitting a long time. make sure not to get corrosive ammo as you may not have an opportunity to clean your rifle propperly.

If you can get the sealed spam cans of ammo great, if you have lose rounds, place two or three trashbags inside the container, then fill loose ammo, its best to leave a little space at the top as it makes it easyer to close the container. A light coating of trans fluid on the ammo keeps it functional and non corroded, don't get carried away, a cup or so is max.

seal each of the layers of plastic independantly, making sure to get all of the air out, then seal up the container in the same manner as before.

roll or rotate the container to make sure that the ammo is evenly coated with fluid.

One thing to remember if you are using the pvc meathod of stashing is it is rediculously hard to get pvc apart with your bare hands if you are in a rush.


I'm probably forgetting a bunch of things, but I think thats the main stuff to remember.
 
better than slathering the thing with oil is using dry ice,

PVC tube, glued correctly is air tight to several PSI, like at least 125. glue an end cap on the one end, glue a female adapter on the other, and use a male screw thread plug coated in teflon dope to seal, but before you close it up, lightly wipe down the weapons with CLP or similar, drop in a baseball sized chunk of Dry ice, wait until the fog comes up and over the end of the tube and then screw shut the plug. The internal humidity is something less than 2% as the heavier CO2 will fill the tube from the bottom up and will displace the warm moist air. The CO2 will inhibit rust as well. For a test we placed several freshly ground pieces of mild steel and high carbon steel in a PVC cache and let it sit in the mud next to our farm pond. Two years later the stuff was still shiny like we had just ground it.
 
dry ice is a great idea, I'd still put a little oil on them in case of a slow air leak.
 
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