cassandrasdaddy
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so have you been maltreated? or are you just getting ready "just in case"?
If you consider denial of police services on the basis of race "maltreated", yes.so have you been maltreated?
If you consider denial of police services on the basis of race "maltreated", yes.
I choose to zealously guard my constitutional rights and not to discard them based on "trust" in total strangers with unknown motives.Sorry to hear that.
I really am.
gossamer said:...
For the people who are critical of the OP's actions, have you ever personally been in the same situation? Multiple LEOs from multiple jurisdictions standing at your door asking to be let in, asking to search.
What specifically did you do?
And what specifically was the outcome?
I would really like to hear from people who have actually denied a request for a search of the home.
What did the police do? Did they come back?
Did they have a warrant this time?
Did they tear up your house? Or did they respect your property and leave it as they found it?
Did they no-knock? Or did they knock?
So far I've read a lot of theoretical advice. And I'm not impugning theory. It's just that theory (>100 posts) without practical experience (< 10 posts) where we can study the outcomes makes it almost impossible to determine the best course of action.
I'm not looking for YouTube videos. I want to hear from the people here, ON THR, about what you did in similar circumstance.
Hearing some actual, first-hand experiences of the many alternatives posted here would make it a lot easier to make a decision as to the best course of action.
This is similar to the question about if someone had to actually use their gun in SD.
If you believe that, does that mean that since I've personally seen police decline to investigate a vandalism/attempted burglary because the perpetrators were White and the crime committed in a neighborhood which recently became majority Black, that I should never call the police to report Whites committing crimes in a Black neighborhood?And, if that is the case, it does serve as it's own cautionary tale for the rest of us should we decide to adopt that tactic.
Probably more of the latter than the former. It could also involve matters which surround legal proceedings, which would most likely require silence.gossamer said:Really? How so?
If you mean in terms of the trauma or negative feelings at the outcome then I have to say, if the experience of asking the police for a warrant results in an outcome anywhere as traumatic as I imagine using my gun in SD would be, I much prefer the outcome the OP had.
If someone feels their experiences in a similar situation where they rejected a request for search were too traumatic, too negative, or there is too much potential jeopardy to repeat them then I certainly understand if they do not want to.
And, if that is the case, it does serve as it's own cautionary tale for the rest of us should we decide to adopt that tactic.
It also serves as a cautionary tale for the rest of us that it is high time we started stepping up to the plate and start exercising such rights lest they wither away altogether. If you can't exercise your freedom, then you really don't have it.And, if that is the case, it does serve as it's own cautionary tale for the rest of us should we decide to adopt that tactic.
The Power of a Badge
*
A*DEA officer stops at a ranch in Texas and talks with an old rancher. *He tells
the rancher, "I need to inspect your ranch for illegally grown drugs."*The rancher*
says, "Okay, but do not go in that field over there," as he points out the location.
The DEA*officer verbally explodes saying, " Mister, *I have the authority of the
Federal Government with me."* Reaching into his rear pants pocket, he removes
his badge and proudly displays it to the rancher.* "See this badge?* This badge
means I am allowed to go wherever I wish.... on any land.* No questions asked or
answers given.* Have I made myself clear?* Do you understand?"
The rancher*nods politely, apologizes, and goes about his chores.
A short time later, the old rancher hears loud screams and sees the*DEA*officer
running for his life chased by the rancher's*big Santa Gertrudis*bull.*
**
With every step the bull is gaining ground on the officer, and it seems likely that
he'll be*gored before he reaches safety.* The officer is clearly terrified.*
The rancher*throws down his tools, runs to the fence and yells at the top of his
lungs..... "Your badge. Show him your BADGE!"
Or like swallowing an unidentified pill handed you by a random stranger at a party because he says he's a "doctor" and it's "good for you".Consenting to a search is just as smart as giving someone permission to shoot past you, because you trust them and they know what they are doing.
Or like swallowing an unidentified pill handed you by a random stranger at a party