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My handguns are used for hunting more than shooting BG's. With that in mind 100-150yard shots with my USP tactical can consistently be M.O. Coyote.

For protection I agree with most of the rest of you. Use what you are comfortable with, and practice as much as possible.
 
FWIW, I have shot a Buckmark .22 pistol at 100 yards on paper and was pleasantly surprised at the hits I could make. But unless a zombie army of large paper bags is coming to get me, I don't see the practical application of this skill.

Question: Where do most defensive uses of handguns occur? In perfect lighting at distances of 100+ yards, or close up in less-than-optimum lighting? Make your sight choices accordingly...

Pesky reality...

Night sights and/or instinctive shooting practice would be a good idea. So would be practicing one-handed shooting both strong and weak hands.
 
Im slightly confused on how night sights are an advantage at night according to this guy but white dots are not an advantage at all. Either have blacked out sights or blacked out night sights. Kind of wierd. It would seem that the night sights would be the same so called disadvantage because of the three dot setup.
 
I have recently switched back to all black sights as many competitive action shooters have. For me, even at closer ranges, 20 yards, the distraction of the "dot" creates a "fuzzy" front sight. Check the Brian Enos forum for some discussion of using a black front sight. Also, Gabe Suarez taught a class and wrote a summary of long range pistol shooting and came to the conclusion most in the class could shoot more accurately with plain sights independent of the type of gun used.

While I am no "PRO" shooter by any means, I think much can be learned from the "Pros".
 
The article is referencing a defensive shooting situation? I've never even heard of a handgun being used in a defensive shooting situation at ranges of 200 yards.

The typical shooting distance is, what, 10 feet, right? (The 3/3/3 principle?) At that range sights aren't as important as pointability of the firearm.
 
From Gabe Suarez/WarriorTalk:
Sights - What and Why?

There was a time in our development when we thought that all pistols needed high visibility sights. "You must use the sights, always, and at all distances" we were told by the gun gurus of a prior age, and like faithful followers, we shipped our guns to the smith to have them suitably arranged. And yes, sights that were easier to see made those 1 1/2 second head shots at 3 yards very easy to make, and right inside the "credit card" too. "Bravo!", we thought, as we holstered our 45s into our pricey Milt Sparks rigs (just like the instructor had) and walked up to examine the group with a jaunty swagger.

But then...something changed. Some crazy guy thought to have students shoot each other with Airsoft BB guns. Shooters would replicate exactly the drills that formed the Modern Technique, and that Gusmoke's Matt Dillon tried to emulate in his show. Insane! Outlandish! Heresy! Yes, they called it all of those things...but the first time guys stepped up to do it, everything changed.

Gone were the Weaver Stances. Hell, those lasted one evolution as guys realized that standing and shooting it out, in an equal initiative fight, or a reactive fight, was a guarantee of getting shot. The need for movement made the need for a proper stationary position obsolete in this type of fight. And keeping two hands on the gun was a luxury few got a chance to enjoy.

I recall after our first session of this several years ago I asked, "What sort of sight picture did you see"? Silence was the reply. "Well, what did you see?". I got varying replies from "the bad guy running at me", to "nothing", to "meat and metal". What we didn't hear, and have not heard, is that anyone has used a proper sight pisture inside of five yards.

I base my view of the pistol fight on what we see in force on force sessions, as that parallels most, what I have seen on the streets. What a competitive pistol champion may use is interesting from a technical perspective, but that is all as the two worlds of range shooting and gunfighting only bear a passing resemblance. And the world of force on force, paralleling the gunfight more closely than anything else, tells us that using traditional sighting methods for close range shooting on a moving adversary is simply not done. Guys point and shoot.

At recent classes I have been using Airsoft guns with no sights at all...just to be sure. You know what? It has not changed the hitting percentages at all. It has made guys somewhat faster since they are not slowing down to try and find the sights. Wow! Insane? Outlandish? Heresy? Maybe, but also the truth.

So what do we need sights for?
We need sights for precision shooting at close range as might be seen in an adversary's exposed elbow, foot, or eye behind cover. Or as may be needed for a shot passed an innocent to hit a bad guy.

We also need sights for long range shooting as might be seen in an Active Shooter countermeasure. We have taken pistol shooters out to 220 yards at one point so it can be done.

Do you need high visibility sights for shots inside 7 yards? Nope. In fact, you could literally take the sights off the gun and be able to, statisticqally speaking, handle most CCW gunfights easily.

So if we need sights we need them for the things discussed above. Which sights will work best for this? Sharp, clearly discernible black sights, with a serrated front and flat rear face.
Do we need dots or bars on the sights to see them better at close range? In my opinion, no we don't.

Do we need Tritium? I admit that many of my pistols have tritium in the sights, but when I have bought sights for my new guns I have gotten plain black sights with no tritium.

Why?

Because here is the thought - if it is dark, but there is enough ambient light to see my adversary, I neither need "night sights" nor a flashlight. I just shoot as I do during the day. If he is close, he is a short time frame problem. I shoot him. If I can see some sights, cool. But I am not waiting to see them. If he is far away, I probably won't be able to see where he is in dark environments so nights sights are of no benefit.

The more I work with this, the more I am convinced that plain black non-illuminated sights are the best option for a CCW pistol.
 
EddieNFL

Handgun silhouette shooters have used iron sights for decades. Some shoot out to 500 yards.

Most use a six o'clock hold. A few hold on.

This thread is about the front sight, right?

EddisNFL said:
I thought so. Am I missing your point?

My point is that there's no way you can be using the front sight on target for a 500 yd shot with a pistol! Am I missing something here? Bear with me, sometimes I can be a little thick.
 
I think I speak for everyone in here when I ask...

…why on earth did you give them your e-mail address? :scrutiny:

Just got an email from Front Sight
AN e-mail from Front Sight?
Should we tell him what’s in his future? :uhoh: :what: :mad: :banghead: :fire: :cuss:

Ya better also be leery ‘bout giving your info to USCCA-I think it’s a contest to see who can plug your inbox with the most junk e-mail!
 
My point is that there's no way you can be using the front sight on target for a 500 yd shot with a pistol! Am I missing something here? Bear with me, sometimes I can be a little thick.
Well, if you don't use the front sight, you won't hit the target. I've never fired past 300 meters with a handgun or 600 yards with an iron sighted rifle, but at those ranges, I assure you, it's all about the front sight.

Please don't misunderstand; when I mentioned silhouette shooting I was referring to XP100/Contender type handguns, but other than sight radius, all else remains the same.
 
My point is that there's no way you can be using the front sight on target for a 500 yd shot with a pistol! Am I missing something here? Bear with me, sometimes I can be a little thick.

now i'm confused

i've shot my 9mm Sig 226 out to about 2-300 yards...it wasn't measured, it was across a canyon...at a metal plate, and about all i was seeing was the front sight.

you just keep rising the front sight in the rear notch until you get the right elevation.

for those wondering, shooting at longer ranges (much beyond 100 yards) is just a verification of trigger control and ability to "see" you sights. it's a "check" of your technique. 50 yards is more practical only because it's more available...the old standard of "combat accuracy" for of a handgun was 4" at 50 yards from prone (Cooper on Handguns)
 
I agree with the main point of that email. I shoot my 1911 better than any of my other pistols. A big part of that is the sights. They are Novak-style with no dots. They are the gray color of the parkerized finish, so they stand out against light and dark backgrounds.

I've always wondered why the white sight inserts are round instead of square or rectangular. And why are the in the middle of the sights instead of at the top edge? A rectangular white "dot" at the very top edge of the sights might work really well.
 
I've always wondered why the white sight inserts are round instead of square or rectangular

it's a throw back to the days of the gold and ivory bead front sights. what is a nice compliment to a front bead/dot/rod is a U-shaped rear notch like on the Warren rear sight
 
i've shot my 9mm Sig 226 out to about 2-300 yards...it wasn't measured, it was across a canyon...at a metal plate, and about all i was seeing was the front sight.


My point is that there's no way you can be using the front sight on target for a 500 yd shot with a pistol! Am I missing something here? Bear with me, sometimes I can be a little thick.
That's the only point I was try to make. I don't need a front sight to point the gun at the horizon so as to get the proper trajectory.
 
The founder/director of Front Sight, Dr. Ignatius Piazza, thinks in black and white. It's his way or the wrong way.:barf: His head has enlarged so much from his original success that he fails to see value in views other than his.

I rebutted several of his viewpoints on THR a month ago and I got an email from him telling me that I was totally wrong on all points. Two days ago I received a very large manila envelope in the mail from Dr. Piazza with several promotional pamphlets, hand written notes and a DVD. I read everything and watched the DVD. He is very persuasive and a first-class salesman.................... but his views were just as black & white on the video as everything that I've seen from him in the past.

I'm sure he does an excellent job of teaching self defense in all forms and he has a 1st rate faucility in AZ. :confused:

Note : Frontsight refuses to allow anyone to take a course while using a cross-draw holster. They say it's due to safety concerns but anyone who has seen the Frontsight faucility know that anyone could be taught self defense safely while using a cross-draw holster. [They teach shooting a full-auto M16 from a helicopter at ground targets while flying at about 50MPH. I really believe drawing from the cross-draw position is just a tad safer!! :neener:]

With that said, I mentioned once that carrying my defensive handgun on my "strongside" doesn't work for me due to less-than-perfect flexibility in my right joints. It's possible for me to do it that way but I like cross-draw better. Cross-draw is faster & more precise for me and I have much more confidence in my ability to draw, present and aim. I don't have to fling my shirt-tail, jacket or (heaven forbid) coat out of the way as has to be done with "strong side draw. I just reach in and pull it out - no matter what I'm wearing.

I've been carrying for many years and practiced strong side for most of those years. Once I bought my 1st cross-draw holster and started practicing I thought, "Why was I doing it that other way all of these years? This is great and it took 1/10 of the time to become proficient."

While driving, cross-draw is the ONLY WAY to wear a defensive weapon.

P.S. For everyone who is about to tell me that a bad guy has a much easier time of getting my gun if I wear it cross-draw - "B"(as in B) and "S"(as in S) !
I'm fully concious of my weapon at all times and if anyone approachs or bumps me, I semi-conciously press my left arm against my shirt/jacket/coat and it makes it nearly impossible for him to get my weapon. My son and I have tried this many times (with emptied & double checked emptied weapons) many times and it's absolutely no easier to take control of the others' weapon from cross-draw as from strong-side.
 
That's the only point I was try to make. I don't need a front sight to point the gun at the horizon so as to get the proper trajectory.

i guess it's my fault for not being clear.

i meant all i was seeing was the front sight on the target, the rear sight was "blanked out" because the notch was now lining up on the top surface of the slide. i wasn't aiming "over" the target. i do note that we are talking about different ranges...i'm not even sure i could see a target at 500 yards
 
The founder/director of Front Sight, Dr. Ignatius Piazza, thinks in black and white. It's his way or the wrong way. His head has enlarged so much from his original success that he fails to see value in views other than his.

Have you seen his magazine ads where he refers to himself as "The Patriot Millionaire" about 20 times? I think his actual name is on the ad once and the rest of the time he's "The Patriot Millionaire". Maybe that's his superhero alter ego or something. I had a good laugh anyways.

Maybe I'll become his sidekick, the "The Patriot Hundredaire".
 
The founder/director of Front Sight, Dr. Ignatius Piazza, thinks in black and white. It's his way or the wrong way.

That pretty much describes most instructors.
 
Refering to Front Sight's, Dr. Ignatius Piazza :
from adamd - post #41 :
he refers to himself as "The Patriot Millionaire" about 20 times?
Maybe that's his superhero alter ego or something. I had a good laugh anyways.
Maybe I'll become his sidekick, the "The Patriot Hundredaire".

Well, I'm older than you and have saved more money so I can be
The Patriot Thousandaire - your butler.

All kidding aside though, ;) I do believe he has an inflated image of himself........ but - he IS a Patriot & he IS a millionaire sooooo...:p
 
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