Buck Snort
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Where does this leave us?
Justice Stevens is hanging it up.
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308win
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He as been hinting at retirement for almost a year now. Until he makes it official it ain't official. Means nothing for 2A guarantees; the worst that can happen is we will get another 2A opponent.
Stevens wrote the Dessenting opinion in the Heller vs DC. Since he is one of the Liberal Justices there would not be much of a change for the 2nd amendment. the only change I see is if there is a major shakeup in Congress after the mid term elections. That would make it much harder for the President to get a very Liberal Justice approved/
StarDust1
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The make-up of the court will not remain unaffected, a neo-communist will be nominating the leftist justices replacement, a replacement that will be far to the left of the retiring leftist!
Pray to whatever you hold sacred that none of the five(I'm counting Kennedy as a sort of knee-jerk conservative)don't end up being replaced during the current administrations tenure, a terrifying prospect.
Buck Snort
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Constitution? We don't need no stink'n constitution!
Again, link?
And, I see this as probably being a good thing, since
1. It's not like you could dredge up someone worse for RKBA
2. Even if Obama nominates and gets a replacement he likes, there is always the chance of it being a new version of Souter (that is, appointed by a liberal and expected to be liberal, and turns out to be conservative, just like Souter was nominated by Bush I and widely expected to be moderate-to-conseravative, and was solidly on the left side of the bench)
3. If the Ds lose big in the fall (if, if if), Obama's ability to get a flaming leftist on the bench might be seriously challenged, and he may be forced to nominate a true moderate.
Mike
And, I see this as probably being a good thing, since
1. It's not like you could dredge up someone worse for RKBA
2. Even if Obama nominates and gets a replacement he likes, there is always the chance of it being a new version of Souter (that is, appointed by a liberal and expected to be liberal, and turns out to be conservative, just like Souter was nominated by Bush I and widely expected to be moderate-to-conseravative, and was solidly on the left side of the bench)
3. If the Ds lose big in the fall (if, if if), Obama's ability to get a flaming leftist on the bench might be seriously challenged, and he may be forced to nominate a true moderate.
Mike
noskilz
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The effect is we'll get another far left justice, just one that is much younger and will live long into the future. Think Sotomayor. I'm sure the Dems have been leaning hard on him to call it quits so he can be replaced with a someone younger before 2012.
wlewisiii
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1) He's 89 years old. It doesn't need much "leaning"
2) Neo-communist? That's laughable. Just because you don't like a centrist hardly makes the president any form of "communist". It just show how you let others (Fox, Beck, JBS) think for you.
3) Just so long as we don't get another activist judge like Scalia, the court will be ok.
William
2) Neo-communist? That's laughable. Just because you don't like a centrist hardly makes the president any form of "communist". It just show how you let others (Fox, Beck, JBS) think for you.
3) Just so long as we don't get another activist judge like Scalia, the court will be ok.
William
Relax. Stevens is a liberal justice, considered the leader of the liberal wing of the court. His replacement will be another liberal. The 5 votes of the majority in Heller are still sitting members on the SCOTUS. Even if you think someone that's a "neo-communist" radical were to be nominated, and Congress approved the nomination, the remaining justices are not that far left and the justice would stand alone on many issues.
mljdeckard
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A lot of this will have to do with timing. He is announcing this now to prime the process of picking a replacement well in advance. If they can do the nomination and confirmation process BEFORE the new senate is seated, they will be able to get a much more liberal choice in than if they are forced to wait until AFTER. The administration will try to have it all done between the June case announcements and when the elections pick up heavily in the fall.
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Oh, please. 
Now that's laughable. Obama is not a "Centrist" by any stretch of the imagination.
Obama has perpetuated a Leftist (Socialist) agenda from the start and nothing else. Actually, his is now a Fascist agenda since he has now overseen the government takeover of 51% of the American economy.
Yes, that guy is a definite threat to the 2A with his majority opinion in support of Heller v D.C. You must really wanna get rid of (or really, really dislike) your guns. (if you even have them to begin with )
wlewisiii: said:
Now that's laughable. Obama is not a "Centrist" by any stretch of the imagination.
Obama has perpetuated a Leftist (Socialist) agenda from the start and nothing else. Actually, his is now a Fascist agenda since he has now overseen the government takeover of 51% of the American economy.
wlewisiii: said:
Yes, that guy is a definite threat to the 2A with his majority opinion in support of Heller v D.C.
You must really wanna get rid of (or really, really dislike) your guns. (if you even have them to begin with )
mljdeckard
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I would be thrilled if they CLONED Scalia a few times.
jfh
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The timing of his announcement will be interesting. First, he does appear to being increasingly frail--including, unfortunately, intellectually; at least insofar as word loss goes. That would suggest he wants to go NOW.
But, here we are with the Polls showing serious disgust with the P-I-P--serious enough that conservatives can at least dream of a 1994-like rout. So, will he announce now, and the Democrat Party experience endless campaigning on stalling--or, on nominating a liberal wingnut with endless jawboning on leftism--or will they wait until after November and have to deal with lessened power to nominate someone of the far-left spectrum?
Jim H.
But, here we are with the Polls showing serious disgust with the P-I-P--serious enough that conservatives can at least dream of a 1994-like rout. So, will he announce now, and the Democrat Party experience endless campaigning on stalling--or, on nominating a liberal wingnut with endless jawboning on leftism--or will they wait until after November and have to deal with lessened power to nominate someone of the far-left spectrum?
Jim H.
NoAlibi
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CENTRIST??? It all depends on your perspective. If you are sitting on the far left it would be easy to see Obama as a centrist.
From where I'm sitting he definitely looks like a dark shade of pink and getting more red everyday. Perhaps Bill Ayers and Van Jones could hook you up with a pair of red colored glasses so you can see the Prez more clearly.
jfh
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Uhrmacher, I suspect you are wrong on the facts. First, remember that "government" now uses 37% of the GNP. Then, given the recent ownership of Banks / assets, the ownership of GM, and the full implications of the Health Bill takeover, we certainly have tilted, at least temporarily (and are there ever temporary government interventions?) gone well past 51%
As for the rhetoric--well, I submit that the Obaminator and the Democrat party are in fact meeting the definitions of establishing a Fascist state. That statement may be unvarnished, and hence offensive to people who have no knowledge of such issues--'moderates,' in your term, but I am not sure the statement is inaccurate.
Jim H.
As for the rhetoric--well, I submit that the Obaminator and the Democrat party are in fact meeting the definitions of establishing a Fascist state. That statement may be unvarnished, and hence offensive to people who have no knowledge of such issues--'moderates,' in your term, but I am not sure the statement is inaccurate.
Jim H.
Bobarino
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anyone have a source to confirm his retirement? i can't seem to find any news stories about it...
edit: found something, but his retirement is not a sure thing.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jp9jrwkjig6vQnONc-Zyk9lChX8wD9ERO3T80
Justice Stevens says he'll decide soon on retiring
(AP) – 3 hours ago
WASHINGTON — Justice John Paul Stevens says he'll decide soon about retiring — for his own peace of mind and to give President Barack Obama and the Senate plenty of time to replace him.
Stevens turns 90 this month and is the oldest justice. He tells The New York Times that he knows he must "fish or cut bait."
But Stevens, who was named to the court by Republican President Gerald R. Ford in 1975, says he still loves the job, and says he continues to write the first draft of his own opinions.
Stevens says if it ever gets to point where he stopped doing that, it would be a sign he wasn't up to the job anymore.
Stevens is the leader of the court's liberals. His retirement would give Obama his second Supreme Court pick.
edit: found something, but his retirement is not a sure thing.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jp9jrwkjig6vQnONc-Zyk9lChX8wD9ERO3T80
Justice Stevens says he'll decide soon on retiring
(AP) – 3 hours ago
WASHINGTON — Justice John Paul Stevens says he'll decide soon about retiring — for his own peace of mind and to give President Barack Obama and the Senate plenty of time to replace him.
Stevens turns 90 this month and is the oldest justice. He tells The New York Times that he knows he must "fish or cut bait."
But Stevens, who was named to the court by Republican President Gerald R. Ford in 1975, says he still loves the job, and says he continues to write the first draft of his own opinions.
Stevens says if it ever gets to point where he stopped doing that, it would be a sign he wasn't up to the job anymore.
Stevens is the leader of the court's liberals. His retirement would give Obama his second Supreme Court pick.
jfh
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Bobarino, there is no official announcement yet. There's loads of speculation, however--and given the pre-retirement eulogy in the NYTimes recently, it's very likely accurate.
added on edit: it's more official than that--as of March 15, he'll announce it within 30 days. see this link....
Jim H.
added on edit: it's more official than that--as of March 15, he'll announce it within 30 days. see this link....
Jim H.
StarDust1
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You're understating the impact that Stevens has had to the court, and frankly speaking he's not even the most left leaning of the leftists currently sitting on the bench.
Any further appointment(s)by the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania ave are to be taken as an assault on any of our remaining traditions and values, I certainly don't see any possibility of these centrist justices surprising us with a pro-2nd view of the constitution, let alone being guided by anything even remotely similar to moderation...
mljdeckard
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We will get the MacDonald ruling under the CURRENT bench. We must all admit, getting MacDonald and Heller will be better than any of us would have expected. We can't expect to keep a gun-friendly court forever. I would much rather this announcement came now than a year ago. We have certainly done well.
And as others have pointed out, THIS decision won't change much anyway. The real question is if ANOTHER justice retires under the current administration, whether they are liberal or conservative, and whether the makeup of the senate will allow a nomination who is left-center or "are you kidding me" Sotamayor left.
And as others have pointed out, THIS decision won't change much anyway. The real question is if ANOTHER justice retires under the current administration, whether they are liberal or conservative, and whether the makeup of the senate will allow a nomination who is left-center or "are you kidding me" Sotamayor left.
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mljdeckard
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That means.....Obama's REPLACEMENT will likely will likely nominate Ginsburg's replacement.
armoredman
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We'll see how it goes, and don't count McDonald before it's hatched. Chances are very good, but let's see what the 9 robes come up with.
As for Obama as a centrist, no. You are as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine.
As for Obama as a centrist, no. You are as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine.
Tim the student
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100403...5bl9oZWFkbGluZV9saXN0BHNsawNqdXN0aWNlc3RldmU-
I can't say that this is really newsworthy, other than he confirmed that he will retire relatively soon. The guy is almost in his 90's - its not like we didn't know that he would retire sometime pretty soon. I think the impact of his retirement will be pretty minimal to us.
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