K.31 Swiss Rifle

[TimboKhan]

I don't think your going to have any problem with the ring, although I guess I can't say for sure. I am 6'1, and it hasn't even remotely been a problem for me...

 

[Bullet Bob]

They are great, aren't they? I got one when they were cheap, and was so impressed the first time I shot it, somehow I wound up with two more.

I have a Swedish Mauser, paid $75.00 for it and two boxes of ammo at a Roses Department store several years ago. I should have bought more of them at that time, didn't want to make the same mistake twice.

 

[grimjaw]

TN Gun Parts has taller front sights for the K31. This will bring POI down and allow you to file the sight blade to zero the weapon to the marks on the rear sights using whatever ammo you shoot.

DMK's description matches my experience. The first K31 I had shot pretty consistently, but high. The next one I got already had the aftermarket front sight, and it's a peach. Hits right at POA at 100 yards, and the trigger is grrrrrrreeAT!

 

[Vaarok]

Personally, I feel my Gew1911 is a far superior rifle to my K-31s, but neither really suits me because of the bolt knob and my lefthandedness. I can crossover-operate with my M95 Mannlichers, but the Swiss rifles just don't work as well.

And of course, I've tried and failed to get the left-handed bolt conversions from Swissdagger.com

 

[cracked butt]

Personally, I feel my Gew1911 is a far superior rifle to my K-31s

I agree. My 1911 feels like a much moe substantial and higher quality rifle than my K31s as well, and that's saying alot. Too bad the 1911s don't have the same sight increments and ease of mounting scopes or diopters as the K-31.

 

[jon_in_wv]

My K31 is really smooth while my Mosins are rough, long heavy triggers, sticky bolt and really more fun to shoot! I LOVE the idea that some Russian soldier may have actually killed some godless Nazi with that thing. It taps into a patriotic part of my soul when I shoot it. My K31 is nice and a far better shooter but it just doesn't have the same vibe. Maybe I'll split the difference and get an Enfield.

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

I've got to ask... why are the groups I'm seeing on this soo spread apart? My K31 can easily shoot .5" to 1" at 100 yards, and all the guns were made the same? IDK, lol. If I can find all my targets, I'll show you all. I don't know where they went. Grrr, I gotta go use gas again! lol

Mine's a 1944 and belonged to a guy who had a last name of Jector.

 

[col_tapiocca]

I found a couple of mine shot way high, even with GP11 service ammo.

Swiss service rifles are allways sight in at 300 m it's approx. 328 yards bullseys 6 o'clock (do you say it so in english?)
Try to change your POA before made any modification on your K-31.

 

[35 Whelen]

I've got to ask... why are the groups I'm seeing on this soo spread apart? My K31 can easily shoot .5" to 1" at 100 yards, and all the guns were made the same? IDK, lol. If I can find all my targets, I'll show you all. I don't know where they went. Grrr, I gotta go use gas again! lol

If you're shooting .5" to 1" groups @ 100 yds. with OPEN SIGHTS, then you need to be shooting competitvely. Either you are very lucky, you have the eyesight of a Bald Eagle, or you're full of the brown, smelly stuff.
35W

 

[Navy joe]

Just ordered another case of GP-11 from Dans. So that makes 2 cases, a couple of bricks, and a bunch of full clips and mags. Plus 500 pieces of new brass and a corrseponding number of Sierra Matchking 175. 4 rifles to feed, it's a disease.

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

35 Whelen:

LOL Yeah I have some pretty good vision, and some of it is skill. I've been shooting with THIS particular rifle for years. Like stated, I'm tryign to find all the old targets. But if I can't, I'll take it out and do it again.

 

[CBS220]

0.5 inches at 100 yards with a K31? Diopters, scopes, or whatever, I'd call that one pretty darned unlikely.

The K31 is an accurate gun... but 1/2 MOA sounds like a fluke, knowing that mine hovers closer to the MOA mark, sometimes a little better.

And with iron sights?

 

[cracked butt]

The K31 is an accurate gun... but 1/2 MOA sounds like a fluke, knowing that mine hovers closer to the MOA mark, sometimes a little better.

All 6 of mine shoot anywhere from 1.5"- 2" groupings with irons. I've only mounted a scope on two of them and both will shoot less than 1.5" but not by much.

I saw a series of posts once by a fellow who scoped a K-31 which shot about the same as my k-31s. He did a number of tweaks including changing the tensioning of the rear guard screw and the tension of the front barrel band ore relieving the handguard near the muzzle. He didget the rifle to shoot consistantly sub-moa, and I don't mean he shot a single target with it and posted it on the internetz saying that he had a 'sub-moa' rifle, but shot several submoa groups on the same target paper. The K-31s do have that potential.

 

[35 Whelen]

My argument is not that the K-31's aren't capable of sub-MOA. If you'll look closely at the top two pictures I posted of my '53 K-31, you'll see it comes very close. This rifle has been somewhat modified as I've add a Lyman 48 receiver sight and bedded the rifle. I can tell you without hesitation that the main roadblock to accuracy with this particular K-31 are my 45 year old eyes.
I just very seriously doubt that...OK, I don't believe for a second that a person could over and over shoot 1/2" groups at 100 yds. with an open sighted K-31. Now, add a scope, and all bets are off.
35W

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

You all are entitled to you OPINIONS, and from the looks of it, most don't shoot sub MOA, but I assure you I can get .5" to 1" at 100 yards with mine using milsurp ammo. Believe it or not, but I know what I can do, and I know what I can do with MY rifle. Like stated before, this gun used to be all I shot. This is my first rifle, and I know my baby, lol (sounds wierd). I'm not sure how long you've been shooting yours, but I've been shooting mine for about 4-5 years with my groups starting near 8" at 100 getting down to 1" and sometimes .5" at 100.

Believe it or not, but one of these days I'll post proof. Either I find some of my targets (signed by a third party not aquainted with me or any of the buds' o mine as part of a bet), get a new camera and go shoot, or get one of those neat little range finding camcorders you can find here or there. One of these days.

 

[CBS220]

Like I said,



People tend to shoot a lot better on the interwebs than in real life... especially when you're just showing the shot target, and not the distance or range itself...

 

[DMK]

Swiss service rifles are allways sight in at 300 m it's approx. 328 yards bullseys 6 o'clock (do you say it so in english?)
Try to change your POA before made any modification on your K-31.

You wouldn't zero at 300m with the rear sight set at 200m though, would you?

Maybe I'm weird, but I like my rifles to be zeroed so POI=POA at the ranges marked on the sight (or at least close as possible).

I actually do use a 6'oclock hold. But it's easy to adjust the sight elevation for the six 'oclock POA when target shooting.

 

[DMK]

Just ordered another case of GP-11 from Dans. So that makes 2 cases, a couple of bricks, and a bunch of full clips and mags. Plus 500 pieces of new brass and a corrseponding number of Sierra Matchking 175. 4 rifles to feed, it's a disease.

Don't feel bad. When I got my five K31s a few years ago, I made sure to buy a case of GP11 from Dan's every month. Plus he was giving 10 clips with each case purchased. Last I checked, I have somewhere between 4-5k of GP11 and a big box of clips. I don't even want to add up what it all cost.

 

[Seminole]

When I got my five K31s a few years ago, I made sure to buy a case of GP11 from Dan's every month. Plus he was giving 10 clips with each case purchased. Last I checked, I have somewhere between 4-5k of GP11 and a big box of clips.

So THAT'S where all the GP11 has gone!

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

I love how when I say this everyone seems to think that I'm talking out of my ass. I'll prove it... just give it time.

Now, I have tried shooting competitively once, but found out soon after that the only problem with that is I don't have the funds anymore, and i'd regularly use a brick of ammo per meet, because I'd do multiple events. The hardest one for me is off of a benchrest, don't know why though, but I do best on my belly in the dirt having the rifle on a log or a sand bag.

 

[lonniemike]

DMK and others who may be interesrted in better stocks or left hand adapters should check out the swissrifles.com message forum. Pierre St. Marie of Swiss Products will be offering up stocks and offering up the lefty adapters soon. Also, Parashooter has posted on that site and other Swiss sites, pictures and details for making up a homemade, cobble up yourself lefty conversion for cheap. best-o-luck

 

[Sylvilagus Aquaticus]

I bought one early this year and it's a fine rifle.

I also found the man who it was issued to and thanked him for taking care of it.

See here:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=337027&highlight=K31

Regards,
Rabbit.

 

[DMK]

DMK and others who may be interesrted in better stocks or left hand adapters should check out the swissrifles.com message forum. Pierre St. Marie of Swiss Products will be offering up stocks and offering up the lefty adapters soon.

Thanks for that info. I'll check out the forum.

My Karbines, while in mechanically excellent condition due to the obvious conscientious and careful maintenance by their previous owners, would not be considered lookers by even the most ardent Swiss rifle fan.

 

[Limeyfellow]

I can crossover-operate with my M95 Mannlichers, but the Swiss rifles just don't work as well.

Couldn't you hold the rifle with the left hand and work the bolt with the right. I know it is over a 10ib rifle but it is so well balanced that I don't have that much of a problem doing it.

I agree. My 1911 feels like a much moe substantial and higher quality rifle than my K31s as well, and that's saying alot. Too bad the 1911s don't have the same sight increments and ease of mounting scopes or diopters as the K-31.

That is the only problem I have with the 1911. I much prefer a diopter sight or other peep sight on my rifles and find it much easier to use, so the K31 with the clamp on diopter sight you can buy is a nice advantage, but damnit, the 1911 is so lovely.

 

[Vaarok]

Trust me, I've tried various stances, the vertical barrel-shaped bolt-knob just doesn't grasp as well as the long stalk on a M-95.

And while one should always be skeptical about accuracy claims, the Chittenango Benchrest Club south of Syracuse NY did a K-31 match about six or eight months ago.

Best accuracy was a three-inch five-shot group with iron sights.

At six hundred yards.