woodnbow
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Same experience here. I never have to wonder "is it loaded?" Of course it's loaded, what good is a gun that's not loaded?
Keeping revolver loaded
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That's the most bizarre thing I've ever heard of. CCW permit holders in FL can't carry loaded guns outside a firing range? That's just nuts.whughett said:
By the way, a cylinder that has been loaded with powder and ball but not capped is considered "charged", not loaded.
Ok, so I drive up in my car carrying my S&W 60 in an IWB holster, loaded of course. I have to remove the gun from the holster and unload it before I can enter the range. I assume I must then replace it in the holster, or can I carry it around in my hand? Then, once I'm on the firing line I can load it and fire my practice rounds. When I'm finished shooting, I leave the firing line with the gun unloaded (again, in the holster or in my hand?) and return to my car where I reload and place it in my holster. Do I have that right? Or, do I have to stop and unload before I enter the range property, and wait until I've driven off the range property to stop and reload?
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I saw the word firearm used. I don't believe BP is considered a firearm. I know federal law does not classify them as such. Why you can purchase on the Internet without having FFL
I'm not even sure if a concealed permit is required in my state if its carried. I am fairly confident it's not.
I'm not even sure if a concealed permit is required in my state if its carried. I am fairly confident it's not.
swathdiver
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That's a range rule and not state law. Last year one could open carry on their side without CCW from the range to their home, from business to home. Not this year.
MCgunner
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I hope to never have to shoot at a gun range again, personally.
Yeah, take your '58 outside in the heights in Houston on New Years Eve and unload 6 in the air at 12 midnight. City has sound sensor/locators now that triangulate the sound of a gun shot and can give the cops an instant address. Of course, you can't legally shoot fireworks in the city, either. I don't live in a town, but I still don't shoot pistols and rifles up. Guy I knew in the heights re-roofed his house, found 3 9mm bullets embedded in the plyboard. He says he stays INSIDE on New Years Eve after finding that.
Anyway, in any jurisdiction, a BP revolver IS a firearms.
Yeah, take your '58 outside in the heights in Houston on New Years Eve and unload 6 in the air at 12 midnight. City has sound sensor/locators now that triangulate the sound of a gun shot and can give the cops an instant address. Of course, you can't legally shoot fireworks in the city, either. I don't live in a town, but I still don't shoot pistols and rifles up. Guy I knew in the heights re-roofed his house, found 3 9mm bullets embedded in the plyboard. He says he stays INSIDE on New Years Eve after finding that.
Anyway, in any jurisdiction, a BP revolver IS a firearms.
In Texas celebratory fire, or "firing in the air" is a Class A misdemeanor, punishable by a maximum one year in jail and $4,000 fine. If you injure someone it's a Felony.
As for BP guns, it's my understanding that they are NOT considered firearms - as long as they remain unloaded. However, once you load them, they are then considered firearms.
MCgunner
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Strap on even an unloaded cap and ball revolver and walk into a Walmart in Texas. Tell me what the judge says. 
P probably shouldn't have used the new years eve thing. Shooting a BP revolver in the city limits will put you in jail over night most jurisdictions, class C misdemeanor. You can shoot an AIR GUN in many jurisdictions, NOT considered a "firearm", though in some, even air guns aren't allowed to be fired.
P probably shouldn't have used the new years eve thing. Shooting a BP revolver in the city limits will put you in jail over night most jurisdictions, class C misdemeanor. You can shoot an AIR GUN in many jurisdictions, NOT considered a "firearm", though in some, even air guns aren't allowed to be fired.
swathdiver
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Federal and Florida law both specifically say that antique firearms are not firearms nor are they deadly weapons. They have their own definition. That being said, who knows what kind of case law has been enacted, and how many policeman know the difference? I'm not interested in finding out.
What about this.
Do you guys consider a black powder revolver loaded if it has all 6 chambers loaded with powder and balls but no percussion caps installed?
My range does not allow fire arms to enter or leave loaded also, but i sometimes preload 2 of my 44s at home with powder and balls so that when i get to the range i just need to add the caps and fire.
Do you guys consider a black powder revolver loaded if it has all 6 chambers loaded with powder and balls but no percussion caps installed?
My range does not allow fire arms to enter or leave loaded also, but i sometimes preload 2 of my 44s at home with powder and balls so that when i get to the range i just need to add the caps and fire.
So if you use a C&B revolver to kill someone, Florida will NOT charge you? I kind of doubt that.
In some states, like Fl, they are not considered a firearm unless it is used as a firearm to commit a crime. Use it to rob the liquor store and not even fire a shot and its a firearm. Even in states where they are leaglly not firearms, most cops do not know that, so you will more than likely get arrested for one in many cases but will prolly get off in court. Also a responsible person needs to be considerate and not scare people half to death by having them on the seat of the car where some old lady see it while pumping her gas. Things like that can also cause a cop to freak out putting you in danger. Lots of the laws on black powder guns can be subject to interpetation too so what you may have got by with 10 years ago may not go the same if you end up in court about it now.
whughett
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You misread the post. I shoot at public ranges. Clearly posted at the entrance is a warning, No loaded firearms. This means they don't want you walking the range or its parking lot with a gun strapped to your hip. It also means you can't step away from the firing line with a loaded gun. Range safe means no loaded weapons. As in any state there are places where you can not carry. Our founding fathers intended us to be armed if we so desire. They must of however also meant for us to use some common since about the matter.
Having said all of this rules are written and rules are broken. Me I stop at the entrance, remove and unload my concealed weapon , reload when I leave.
whughett
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Swathdiver . Just curious. Are you referring to Florida law. Last year a new law was passed that allowed for an accidental showing of a otherwise concealed weapon, prior to that such a showing was a jail sentence. Displaying a weapon if you are a permit holder will get you 10 years, fire it and its 20. Of course that is all moot if it is in self defence. The permit as stated is for a concealed WEAPON, so my take is carry a C&B sheriff model in your pocket with out a permit and hello big house.
swathdiver
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Yes, and accidental showing was always on the books since I got my CCW in the 1990s. Meaning, if your coat blew open which revealed your sidearm or your shirt untucked when you bent over, neither was breaking the law. In 2012 one could wear their gun on their hip to and from work without stopping or to and from the range without stopping without CCW, because it was not concealed. Now, as I read the Federal and Florida State law for '13, you can't even walk around your own home with one on your side. Insane.
A concealed weapon refers to firearms and deadly weapons, not antique firearms, but like I said, I have no idea how the courts might have changed that through "case law".
There's nothing wrong with a mature adult or youngster arriving at a range with a sidearm on their person or wearing it around or leaving the range with it on. The prohibition comes from Statists and lawyers (same type thinking).
Good because that was kind of a gray area for me and no one has said anything to me about it.
I guess I now have all the reasons I need to not move to Florida.
I truly do not understand the thinking behind prohibiting someone from leaving the firing line at a range with a loaded firearm in a holster or a case.
Utter insanity.
I truly do not understand the thinking behind prohibiting someone from leaving the firing line at a range with a loaded firearm in a holster or a case.
Are they thinking the gun will jump out of the holster and go off? Is that supposed to pass for common sense? What they are doing, of course, is ignoring the "treat every gun as a loaded gun" thesis - you're allowed, in fact, required, to handle an unloaded gun differently than a loaded gun.whughett said:
Utter insanity.
whughett
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Insanity or not most of us have to shoot at places with rules. I have been a member at the same gun club, private, in Rhode Island for thirty three years. When I am here I can do pretty much as I please at the range, but even there there are rules. The state of RI permits transporting firearms from ones home to a range or smith or gun store. Not loaded and
locked in a case with ammo stored separate, and like most states muzzle loaders are not considered firearms. When I am in Florida I have to use public ranges their range their rules.
RPRNY
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You don't shoot at public ranges, do you?
There are many people whose right to keep and bear arms I defend, but proximity to whom while they do so I find inadvisable and undesirable. A Saturday Trap line at a public range is one of the most dangerous places outside a war zone. So, ranges have rules designed to mitigate the risks posed by the dumb*sses that exercise poor to no judgment and/or have poor concepts of safety. Please don't act like this is a difficult concept to grasp.
I shoot at public ranges all the time.
I have Range Safety Officer credentials from both the NRA and the NMLRA.
I am the Vice President of our local sportsmen's club, and we have two ranges that are open to the public 3 days a week, and have been since 1947. We've never had a firearms related injury. I frequently act as RSO for both club events and during public shooting periods.
Our rule for leaving the firing line, or being anywhere else on our property, is that your guns must be in a holster or a closed case. We assume all guns are loaded at all times and must be handled accordingly. You may remove your gun from the holster or case to affect repairs or show it to someone, but it must be immediately unloaded or shown to be unloaded when doing so, and then replaced in the holster or case immediately after completing the intended task.
We hold Board of Directors and membership meetings on a monthly basis. The majority of our members have CPL permits, and I'd venture to say that 80% of the people at any of those meetings are carrying a loaded firearm, just like they do in going about their business every day. We are, after all, a gun club. It's irrational to suggest that they all must unload their guns before coming into a meeting. We're not a Wal-Mart, for pete's sake.
I don't think I ever said one shouldn't follow the club's rules, or that there shouldn't be any rules. You might want to go back and rethink that response.
I have Range Safety Officer credentials from both the NRA and the NMLRA.
I am the Vice President of our local sportsmen's club, and we have two ranges that are open to the public 3 days a week, and have been since 1947. We've never had a firearms related injury. I frequently act as RSO for both club events and during public shooting periods.
Our rule for leaving the firing line, or being anywhere else on our property, is that your guns must be in a holster or a closed case. We assume all guns are loaded at all times and must be handled accordingly. You may remove your gun from the holster or case to affect repairs or show it to someone, but it must be immediately unloaded or shown to be unloaded when doing so, and then replaced in the holster or case immediately after completing the intended task.
We hold Board of Directors and membership meetings on a monthly basis. The majority of our members have CPL permits, and I'd venture to say that 80% of the people at any of those meetings are carrying a loaded firearm, just like they do in going about their business every day. We are, after all, a gun club. It's irrational to suggest that they all must unload their guns before coming into a meeting. We're not a Wal-Mart, for pete's sake.
I don't think I ever said one shouldn't follow the club's rules, or that there shouldn't be any rules. You might want to go back and rethink that response.
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