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Kel Tec 2000

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Blain, Jul 16, 2003.

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  1. Blain

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    Just saw one in a gunshop today for the first time and I was very impressed. They had 9mm and .40 models. I was interested in the .40 cal model because of the extra power. I was wondering if any of you have one of these guns and could give me an evaluation of it? It was selling at the gunshop for $335. At 29.5" long (when not folded) and 4 lbs unloaded it seems like a delightful trunk/car gun. I was wondering the following...

    1. Some models come that accept glock mags, and some accept Beretta, which mag type would be better? Which brand of mags are cheaper/easier to get in .40S&W?

    2. How much extra velocity will a 16" barrel give a .40S&W round?

    3. Can you carry a gun such as this? This article seems to suggest you can,
    http://www.gunblast.com/Kel-Tec_Sub2000.htm

    4. Where is a god place to get fair priced glock .40 S&W mags? Are the mags in this auction fairly priced? Will they work? http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=10329357

    Any personal experience with the gun would be greatly appreciated.



    For those who don't know, a Kal Tec 2000 is a self-loading carbine for pistol cartridges. Different versions of the SUB-2000 will accept most modern handgun magazines. There is a GLOCK version. Further, the SUB-2000 has a greatly extended range compared to a handgun. The superior precision is also very useful against small or partially covered targets at shorter range. The amount of training to master the SUB-2000 is only a fraction of that required for a handgun.

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    Technical Specifications
    Calibers: 9 mm Luger, .40 S&W
    Weight unloaded 4.0lbs. 1.8 kg
    Length open 29.5" 749 mm
    Length closed 16" 406 mm
    Barrel length 16.1" 408 mm
    Aperture rear, circular hood
    adjustable front
    Practical range/over 150yds 150 m
    Rifle features an internal keyed
    deployment lock.
    Rifle can be reduced to a size of
    16" x 7" to facilitate secure storage. 406 x 178 mm
     
  2. vmi93

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    Got one..

    I have one in 9mm that takes Glock mags. It is lots of fun to shoot and reasonably accurate given the sights and caliber.

    I think that Beretta mags are cheaper now, but if we're lucky that will change in Fall'04.

    I don't know, mine's 9mm.

    Check your state laws. It is defined as a rifle, so you may run afoul of game control laws designed to prevent poaching and road hunting.

    Try CDNN. THey usually have good deals on Glock factory hi-caps. That auction looks like a darned good deal for those mags.
     
  3. Bobarino

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    i also have the Glock 9mm version. i'm having trouble with the mag catch/release right now. its going back for an evaluation and possible repairs. i think $335 is a litte high but not too bad. the rifle is fun fun fun! its pretty darn accurate to boot. i think you'll be stisfied with your purchase if you decide to do so.


    Bobby
     
  4. Kor

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    I own the Glock-mag/.40cal version, and it is bloody fun to shoot, and almost shockingly accurate(within the limited range of a pistol cartridge). As long as you can get your face down on the buttstock tube and use the sights(some guys I've known cannot do so), it's a great defensive carbine.

    - In standard-length full-capacity magazines, Beretta mags are MUCH cheaper than Glock mags UNLESS you want a super-sized "stick" mag - the Scherer .40/29rd sticks can be had for $75 from www.lonewolfdist.com, but unless you're willing to take your chances with a gun-show-special USA Magazines POS, you gotta shell out BIG bucks for a 20rd Beretta 93R mag.

    - I haven't shot mine over a chrono, but I'm thinking you should get around 150-200fps more in the Kel-Tec - you'll realize higher velocity gains with the lighter-bullet loadings than with the 180-grainers.

    - I can fit mine into a 17" long laptop bag, that I can carry slung over my shoulder, with a few spare magazines tucked in for good measure. There's been similar discussion at www.ktog.org.
     
  5. Blain

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    Beretta has pre-ban .40s? What size and cost and where can I get some? Thanks!
     
  6. clubsoda22

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    just get the standard gun show junk magazines. You shouldn't have a problem feeding.
     
  7. Kor

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    Sorry, Blain - didn't mean to get you excited. Beretta M96 .40S&W mags have always been made to hold 10 rounds only, even before the ban. The 20-rd 93R mags are in 9mm only. Of course, you MAY be able to find 30-rd .40/M96 stick-mags made by ProMag/USA/Triple K/etc. at a gun show(I haven't been looking out for them, so I couldn't tell you for sure), but I personally think those are a waste of money.
     
  8. Blain

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    Isn't this gun sort of like a poor mans MP5 afterall? Besides the selective fire that is.... Though that gets me wondering.... a S.F. Kel-Tec Sub 2000!!!
     
  9. clubsoda22

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    i was very close to buying one at the last gun show i was at, but opted for a new shotgun instead. I'm not too keen on plastic sights.
     
  10. DMK

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    American Rifleman just did a review on this little carbine a month or so ago. IIRC, they liked it.

    I saw a guy with one in 9mm at the range a while back also. He didn't have any trouble with it that I saw. He sure looked like he was having fun and shot up quite a bit of ammo through it. The little carbine looks kinda mean when somebody is blasting away with it.
     
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    I found this thread on a search. The dealer about 2 miles from me has one in 9mm for about $270. The Scherer mags are $75. I`ve been looking for a inexpensive truck gun and anything I`ve run into used so far is over $300.

    Hi Point makes a carbine also that I saw discounted to $149. No mention of a mag interchange and it doesn`t break down like the Kel Tec. This gun seems like a pretty good deal for what it`s made for.
     
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