kel-tec PF-9 problems

[saturno_v]

It's you choice and i respect that..I hope at least you tried to fix the problem with their excellent CS department before giving it up.

Many people swear that EAA (Tanfoglio) pistols are very good...my experience and that one of many others was horrible (malfunctioning of every nature) and their CS is a joke.....and Customer Service is really what, in the end, make or break a company.

I never heard the same amount of complain about Kel-Tecs that I did with EAA.

There are people that had issues with Glock too...and not one or two

 

[SSN Vet]

My abc is bigger than your xyz ...

and I'm cooler than you are.

No wonder gun grabbing liberals make hay in the sun painting gun people as ignoramuses

 

[huduguru]

SSN, in case you haven't noticed, this is a gun forum. Comparisons(and opinions) between various brands is vigorously encouraged.

Don't get me wrong, I like the design philosophy of the PF-9, but
with the primary purpose being self defense(the P-11 also) the demonstrated
poor reliability of Keltecs leaves me thinking, what a great idea with
very poor execution(qc and the lack of reliability, specifically).

Now if Ruger would just copy that PF-9(without the hokey extractor spring), sign me up!

 

[kokapelli]

I had a PF9 but didn't like it because it was too loose for my taste and compared to my PM9 it was very punishing to shoot, but I have to say it never failed to function in anyway.

 

[wnycollector]

I just passed the 500 round mark with my PF-9. I went to my outdoor range today and it was a balmy 16F with a 15mph cross wind I went through 100 rounds of magtech 147gr JHP with only one problem. On my last mag, I was shooting one handed with my weak hand and I limp wristed badly. The PF-9 failed to chamber the next round. The upside of that was I was able to practice my tap, rack, bang drill. While it was not pleasant to shoot in those conditions, I think its a testament to my PF-9's reliability. Shooting in those conditions is tough on any gun let alone a sub 1lb pocket nine.

While some have gotten a lemon for Kel-tec, I'm two for two with gems from them.

 

[F1]

The Kel-Tec company should have been shut down long ago. If they were making cars like that they would have been. Their lack of quality control combined with cheap components might be semi-excusable if their guns were intended for idle plinking, but they are not. Their guns are made for one purpose alone, self defense, that is emergency use in life and death situations.

 

[F1]

As you can see from the above posts, some of their guns seem to work well for some people, but many of their guns do not work well at all. I would never trust a Kel-tec.

 

[F1]

"Now if Ruger would just copy that PF-9(without the hokey extractor spring), sign me up!"

Me too, and maybe they are working on it right now. They copied their 380 and made it work.

 

[atblis]

The Kel-Tec company should have been shut down long ago. If they were making cars like that they would have been. Their lack of quality control combined with cheap components might be semi-excusable if their guns were intended for idle plinking, but they are not. Their guns are made for one purpose alone, self defense, that is emergency use in life and death situations.

[Chortle]You're really using cars for a comparison? [/Chortle]

Love or hate Keltec
A) They make things that others don't
B) Their customer service is good
C) Their prices are very low
D) Sometimes their stuff works just fine (sometimes not so much).

 

[F1]

The owner of Kel-Tec, George Kellgren, formerly made a now orphaned lemon of a gun called Grendel. He dumped that and started KT in '95. Try to find parts for your Grendel now. KT has an internet forum that appears to be run by company shills. They quickly ban folks who voice complaints.

 

[Pyzon]

Try to find parts for your Grendel now

Try to find parts for your Studebaker, Rambler, Simca, Morris Minor, Datsun........

Keltec works for me, I've received better customer service than Kimber and even S&W, and all five of mine work without a hitch.

The Keltec owners forum is also pretty active and enjoyable also.

 

[Shadow 7D]

How many KT do you own F1?

I have 3 right now, and I love buying other peoples lemons, esp the ones with a company like KT behind them. Only managed to snag one a cheap price so far, but I'm always looking out. KT are a great sub 300 gun, they don't have the fit and finish that you might find on a $3k gun, but they tend to work, pretty well, my P32 has performed flawlessly (except for a Promag 10 round mag) and it is the smallest, lightest pistol, disappears in my pocket, and yes, you do have to make a trade off.

 

[billdeserthills]

You can always send it into Kel-Tec, say I just got my old first generation P3AT
.380 acp gun back last week, it only took about 3 months!

 

[w_houle]

How many KT do you own F1?

I don't think there's much of anything you're going to tell him that will change his mind.

I've had more real life firearm experience than 99% of the people here

I know it's from a different thread, but this tells me that he's here to teach us, and not learn...

 

[F1]

Houle - Looks like you went to a lot of trouble looking through my old posts here in order to try to find something bad to say about me. Was that the best you could come up with?

"I know it's from a different thread, but this tells me that he's here to teach us, and not learn..."

What are you fantasizing that you're a teacher and I'm sitting in your classroom? I'm commenting on an internet forum, that's all.

How come so many of you Kel-Tec shills are tossing around and misusing scriptural quotes, like that creep on the Kel-Tec forum who posts a picture of Jesus selling Winchesters as his signature, or are you all one and the same guy, Mister Kellgren perhaps?

 

[MachIVshooter]

The Kel-Tec company should have been shut down long ago. If they were making cars like that they would have been.

Ahahahhaha.

Ford has an open recall on millions of cars for burning to the ground due to cruise control electronics. Toyota is doing the same because theirs are rear-ending other cars all by themselves when the throttle by wire freaks out. GM's new power steering system is so full of hiccups it's almost unbelievable. And these are just the problems that are big enough for a recall.

Trust me, friend, if cars were anywhere near as reliable and unconditionally warranted against defect as KT firearms, I'd be out of a job.

Looks like you went to a lot of trouble looking through my old posts here in order to try to find something bad to say about me. Was that the best you could come up with?

He didn't have to look very hard. It's on the first page. And that's an extremely bold and arrogant statement to make here, bound to be viewed with hostile skepticism. This board is not comprised of a random sampling of the population; there are plenty of members here with decades of experience using literally hundreds (if not thousands) of different firearms. I'm an avid shooter, hunter and collector who spends way too much time handling, discussing and researching guns, and I have a pretty substantial personal collection. but I would never dream of making such an assertion here.

 

[F1]

"Trust me, friend, if cars were anywhere near as reliable and unconditionally warranted against defect as KT firearms, I'd be out of a job."

No, I don't think so. If brakes failed 50% of the time, or 25% of the time, or 10% of the time, or whatever it is, whatever your job is you'd be out of it. Brakes are life and death, and so is a defensive weapon.

OK, the 99% was no doubt an an exaggeration, but there are also a lot of beginners on here, and I have many years of law enforcement experience working mostly in some of the worst slums in the world with some of the worst criminals in the world, hundreds of arrests, shootings, you name it.

A gun is a tool, not a religious experience. A person should be able to critique a tool without rousing the ire of religious zealots.

 

[Shadow 7D]

F1
who are you shilling for, the point of this thread was to offer some advice as to how to correct a problem, the Kel Tecs happen to have some, and SURPRISE these are old, and easy to correct problems that are well covered by the internet. Think 1911 extractor tuning, or bad ramp jobs, things that you know and in the kel tec, they are correctable (unlike many 1911 problems) by any half way competent handi man (or woman).

So my point is, don't be too offended when you come here flaming a gun (read the forum rules stickied at the top) and someone points out that you haven't added to the post.

To the OP, have you got it fixed yet?

 

[wnycollector]

Gents, lets remember what THR is an acronym for The High Road! IMOO this thread has become less about fixing a problem that a fellow member had with his pistol than about bashing and then defending Kel-Tec. I am as guilty as anyone since my last post was a defense of Kel-tec products. Lets hope that Harmon Rabb has fixed his PF-9 before a Mod locks this thread!

 

[Nasty]

Not joining the dog pile, but...

I was a small arms instructor for over 15 years in the USAF (SAMTU)...I still sometimes help out on the different ranges I go to when I see something I can help with.

I saw this problem once...the guy was firing at 7 yards...looked new but was doing okay as he worked through what looked to me to be a bit of nervousness. He had no firing issues for the first 20-30 rounds, but then (in my opinion) started to relax as he gained confidence...and started to get FTE's. He fiddled a bit, tried again, got a few, relaxed and started getting failures again.

Yup...as he relaxed, he started limp wristing. I offered some tips on grip, breath control, etc...finished out his range session with no further failures.

Just saying...it's a possibility. Hope it helps.

 

[harmon rabb]

Limp wristing is definitely not the issue. After I experienced a jam, I'd make sure to hold on extra tight to ensure limp wristing was not the issue, and I still experienced the FTE's.

 

[w_houle]

Limp wristing is definitely not the issue. After I experienced a jam, I'd make sure to hold on extra tight to ensure limp wristing was not the issue, and I still experienced the FTE's.

I don't know how to explain it, but a death grip and uber locked wrist aren't the problem either. I don't know how to explain it, but I'm becoming of the mind that these small pistols take a certain... for lack of a better word; finesse, to shoot. I am not totally in understanding as to what it takes, but it has taken me a while to start to figure it out. Just keep after it, and either it will go away, or will become evident to the cause.

 

[harmon rabb]

I don't know how to explain it, but a death grip and uber locked wrist aren't the problem either. I don't know how to explain it, but I'm becoming of the mind that these small pistols take a certain... for lack of a better word; finesse, to shoot. I am not totally in understanding as to what it takes, but it has taken me a while to start to figure it out. Just keep after it, and either it will go away, or will become evident to the cause.

I own a LCP, which has been 100% since day 1, so I wouldn't think it's a lack of experience with mouse guns

 

[Shadow 7D]

How are the rails, alot of the F&B is smoothing the rail and slide mating, buffing out the machining striations, also you can get a pretty ruff chamber, both could slow down the slide, also make sure you don't have a bur on the slide.

As for limp wristing, hasn't been a problem with my P11, but I have to work on shooting my P40, if I try a 3 shot rapid fire I jam by the 3 round, sometimes second, pounds the bejeezits out of my hand.

 

[joe_security]

In spite of all the bashing, I am thinking of trying a P32 because it fits the bill for a true pocket pistol. And from a $ stand point, I wont be sticking my neck out too far. And I expect less blast and recoil than a .380 cal.