st.bernard
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Kindly share me your idea between Kevin .380 and Walther PPK/S .380 - which one would be suitable for the backup/concealed gun for my young sister ? Thanks... 
Kevin 380 vs Walther PPK/S 380 - Which one?
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denfoote
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I didn't know Kevin made a .380!!!!
However, the PPK/S is a decent gun. The recoil spring is a might strong!! She may have trouble racking the slide!!
If you are talking about the Kel-Tec P3AT, then she will have more of a problem because there is less slide to grip!!
You may want to consider getting her a snub revolver, Glock 26, or some other small 9mm!!! My wife carried A Taurus M85 for years before she confiscated my G26!!!
However, the PPK/S is a decent gun. The recoil spring is a might strong!! She may have trouble racking the slide!!
If you are talking about the Kel-Tec P3AT, then she will have more of a problem because there is less slide to grip!!
You may want to consider getting her a snub revolver, Glock 26, or some other small 9mm!!! My wife carried A Taurus M85 for years before she confiscated my G26!!!
Corrrect, the Kevin comes no where near meeting the points criteria for US import.
Unless your sister is a dedicated shooter who is willing to practice at every opportunity, the Walther will be a far easier pistol to learn to shoot, and shoot well.
Unless your sister is a dedicated shooter who is willing to practice at every opportunity, the Walther will be a far easier pistol to learn to shoot, and shoot well.
MICHAEL T
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What is complicated about a PPK ? Its a DA/SA pistol like a million others . I say get the new S&W PPK or a Bersa (also complicated DA/SA) but a little larger than a PPK. Bersa is coming out with a new CC pistol. Its smaller and lighter than the present 380. Should be out this mo or next. The best small low recoil 380 was the Colt Mustang series but Colt stopped making and used cost a bunch.
denfoote
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That's why I never heard of Kevin!!
You must be from outside the US!!
Have you considered the Glock 28???
It is the same size as the G26.
That Kevin looks like a nice gun!!
Damn our silly law anyway!! :banghead:
This little item is a visual reason why Democrats need to be swept from office!!!
You must be from outside the US!!
Have you considered the Glock 28???
It is the same size as the G26.
That Kevin looks like a nice gun!!
Damn our silly law anyway!! :banghead:
This little item is a visual reason why Democrats need to be swept from office!!!
sgt127
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My very humble opinion... A back up gun, if you are refering to its role in law enforcement, or concealed carry, must be reliable, work when dirty, with a bad grip, limp wristed, while making a contact shot, rolling around in a parking lo, easy to conceal, safe, and shoot a decent round. There are very few little autos that I would trust as a back up gun that meet all those criteria and for the last 11 years, have carried a S&W 642. Alot of shooters more knowledgabale than I have declared the 642 the "perfect" back up gun.
st.bernard
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Thank you everyone for sharing me your comment/idea
I live in Thailand...
Based on your comment/idea, I may have to think about S&W Revolver as another alternative (Unfortunately, Bersa is not sold in Thailand).
May you guys comment another question as posted from me about S&W ?
Thanks a lot...
I live in Thailand...
Based on your comment/idea, I may have to think about S&W Revolver as another alternative (Unfortunately, Bersa is not sold in Thailand).
May you guys comment another question as posted from me about S&W ?
Thanks a lot...
KevinB
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You can not buy a better gun than the Kevin .380...
joking of course
-Kevin
joking of course-Kevin
I carry a .380 PPK and have for years. Mine is 100% reliable, but that's not what I hear from many other owners about their pistols.
Furthermore, the DA trigger is HORRENDOUS. No, scratch that, it's HORRENDOUSLY HEAVY. I've never encountered a trigger on a firearm that is as hard to pull as the DA trigger on a Walther PPK.
AND, the recoil spring is pretty stiff. Add that to a small gun (not much to grab hold of) and you have a pistol that can make it very hard to chamber the first round or clear a jam.
I don't recommend them.
Furthermore, the DA trigger is HORRENDOUS. No, scratch that, it's HORRENDOUSLY HEAVY. I've never encountered a trigger on a firearm that is as hard to pull as the DA trigger on a Walther PPK.
AND, the recoil spring is pretty stiff. Add that to a small gun (not much to grab hold of) and you have a pistol that can make it very hard to chamber the first round or clear a jam.
I don't recommend them.
Trigger cocking first pull on Walther PP/PPK series handgun averages 14-20 pounds.
Remember these are the first really successful double action handguns to be introduced to a commercial market.
I like Walther PP handguns but I am well aware that the design in this day and age is archaic.
Walther considered the double action first shot useful for a fast defense shot at very close range.
At any kind of distance, 10 meters on, they recommended the hammer be manually cocked for a more precise first shot.
Ley's face it, some of the new double action only service autos have trigger pulls not that much better than the original Walther design.
Some products made in Brazil, Czechoslovakia, and Italy come specifically to mind.
I have never handled or fired a Kevin and likely never will.
The trigger pull on that pistol might very well be just as bad, or worse, than the Walther
Remember these are the first really successful double action handguns to be introduced to a commercial market.
I like Walther PP handguns but I am well aware that the design in this day and age is archaic.
Walther considered the double action first shot useful for a fast defense shot at very close range.
At any kind of distance, 10 meters on, they recommended the hammer be manually cocked for a more precise first shot.
Ley's face it, some of the new double action only service autos have trigger pulls not that much better than the original Walther design.
Some products made in Brazil, Czechoslovakia, and Italy come specifically to mind.
I have never handled or fired a Kevin and likely never will.
The trigger pull on that pistol might very well be just as bad, or worse, than the Walther
Marko Kloos
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The new S&W-made PPKs have a second hammer strut to reduce DA trigger pull, and I can tell you from personal experience that it works. The one specimen I've shot brand new out of the box had the best trigger pull of any small .380 I've experienced.
KBintheSLC
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Mixed reviews...
I've never shot the Kevin, but I recently purchased the PPK/S (a new one made in the USA) .380 for my wife as a CCW. I still don't know how I feel about it, and this is why...
I shot 150 rounds the other day to work it in a bit. The first 100 were fully jacketed Winchester bulk rounds from Wal-Mart. With these, I did not have a single failure to feed/eject/fire. Then I shot 50 rounds of Gold-Dot HP defense rounds. This is when the suck started. The 70+ year old design just cant hang with the HP rounds. Out of every clip used with the HP's, I encountered 2 or 3 failures to feed. The ramp seems pretty steep for anything besides ball ammo. Also, the DA trigger is very heavy... SA is very nice and clean. The slide spring is tight and needs some muscle to fully retract.
Besides that, I like the design... safe trigger drop, easy to conceal, and if all else fails you could likely spill a would-be intruders brain matter with a well placed pistol whip from this hefty little beast. I believe that this gun will "age" well as the parts smooth out over time.
All in all this gun works to fulfill our needs, though it may not fulfill yours. I would not trust my life on this gun loaded with HP's. However it is 100% reliable so far with ball ammo... which I personally prefer in smaller calibers to increase penetration. Just make sure you practice a lot as shot placement is key when using small calibers + jacketed rounds.
I've never shot the Kevin, but I recently purchased the PPK/S (a new one made in the USA) .380 for my wife as a CCW. I still don't know how I feel about it, and this is why...
I shot 150 rounds the other day to work it in a bit. The first 100 were fully jacketed Winchester bulk rounds from Wal-Mart. With these, I did not have a single failure to feed/eject/fire. Then I shot 50 rounds of Gold-Dot HP defense rounds. This is when the suck started. The 70+ year old design just cant hang with the HP rounds. Out of every clip used with the HP's, I encountered 2 or 3 failures to feed. The ramp seems pretty steep for anything besides ball ammo. Also, the DA trigger is very heavy... SA is very nice and clean. The slide spring is tight and needs some muscle to fully retract.
Besides that, I like the design... safe trigger drop, easy to conceal, and if all else fails you could likely spill a would-be intruders brain matter with a well placed pistol whip from this hefty little beast. I believe that this gun will "age" well as the parts smooth out over time.
All in all this gun works to fulfill our needs, though it may not fulfill yours. I would not trust my life on this gun loaded with HP's. However it is 100% reliable so far with ball ammo... which I personally prefer in smaller calibers to increase penetration. Just make sure you practice a lot as shot placement is key when using small calibers + jacketed rounds.
KevininPa
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I knew my other personality was making money and not sharing.
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