Mornard
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GOOSE - You did EXACTLY the right thing, and hopefully the kids learned a lesson about respect (including respecting little kids, not just you) to help them on the road to becomeing young men.
Kids in the park
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FPrice
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Mr. Mysterious...
"You are walking down the street and you get pegged by a paintball. You see two 12-14 year olds laughing...what do you do?"
Based upon the limited information you have given the only thing you can do is call the police to report a case of battery. You can mention the two young men as possible witnesses (they are laughing, why? Because they did it, saw it, just happened to be sharing an unrelated joke? At this point you don't know).
You might ask them if they saw who did it, but I wouldn't get too aggressive about it unless you saw one of them holding a smoking paintball gun.
"You are walking down the street and you get pegged by a paintball. You see two 12-14 year olds laughing...what do you do?"
Based upon the limited information you have given the only thing you can do is call the police to report a case of battery. You can mention the two young men as possible witnesses (they are laughing, why? Because they did it, saw it, just happened to be sharing an unrelated joke? At this point you don't know).
You might ask them if they saw who did it, but I wouldn't get too aggressive about it unless you saw one of them holding a smoking paintball gun.
FWIW, somehow I doubt these kids chronoed their paintball gun to a safe FPS before going on their mini-rampage. A hot gun shooting at close range WILL make you bleed. That combined with small children, the amount of balls some paintball guns can lay down in the space of a few seconds, and lack of protective equipment makes for a rather dangerous combination.
Calling the cops was a good start. I hope those kids got to sit in a jail cell for a little bit before mom could come pick them up.
Calling the cops was a good start. I hope those kids got to sit in a jail cell for a little bit before mom could come pick them up.
Eskimo Jim
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Mr Mysterious,
Answer to your Question:
Two to the Center of Mass, one to the Head?
Just like in training!!!!
-Jim
Answer to your Question:
Two to the Center of Mass, one to the Head?
Just like in training!!!!
-Jim
G21dude
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Various items, several [OT]
#1: To the original poster, you did exactly right.
#2: Regarding what the dispatcher said, in my county it would most likely be something like this...
Dispatch: "Radio, 120, copy Signal 69"
Unit 120: "120, Radio, go ahead"
Dispatch: "Complaintant advised multiple Signal 23s engaged in Signal 69 activity, 123 Any Street, cross street of Main off Elm"
Unit 120: "10-4 Radio, hold me 10-76"
--end of conversation until unit arrives onscene--
(In case you don't know GSP Signals and can't figure it out, 69 = Person with Gun, 23 = Disorderly Juveniles; I'm not aware of a Signal for paintball guns)
Maybe the dispatcher would say "Complaintant advised multiple Signal 23s engaged in Signal 69 activity reference paintball guns, 123 Any Street, cross street of Main off Elm"
See why they did just fine, and people ought not play around with things that look like guns, at least in public?
#3: Regarding left wing extremists -- some people are left wing, and they're not extremists. Left wing extremists, however, are all by definition, extremists. If you resent the reference he made, because you're not an extremist, disregard the post, silly, he wasn't talking about you. He was talking about left wing extremists. Same thing with muslim extremists -- they're dangerous bastards. Your garden variety muslim doesn't concern me so much.
#4: Mr. Mysterious -- if I see them laughing and am in the slightest bit suspicious that they are the shooters, I would do my darnedest to snatch them, hold them, call the cops, and press charges -- not so much because of the injury (I've been popped in the throat with paintballs, not pleasant) but because of the precendent being set (you do jackass delinquent things = you get punished) and the principle of it.
#1: To the original poster, you did exactly right.
#2: Regarding what the dispatcher said, in my county it would most likely be something like this...
Dispatch: "Radio, 120, copy Signal 69"
Unit 120: "120, Radio, go ahead"
Dispatch: "Complaintant advised multiple Signal 23s engaged in Signal 69 activity, 123 Any Street, cross street of Main off Elm"
Unit 120: "10-4 Radio, hold me 10-76"
--end of conversation until unit arrives onscene--
(In case you don't know GSP Signals and can't figure it out, 69 = Person with Gun, 23 = Disorderly Juveniles; I'm not aware of a Signal for paintball guns)
Maybe the dispatcher would say "Complaintant advised multiple Signal 23s engaged in Signal 69 activity reference paintball guns, 123 Any Street, cross street of Main off Elm"
See why they did just fine, and people ought not play around with things that look like guns, at least in public?
#3: Regarding left wing extremists -- some people are left wing, and they're not extremists. Left wing extremists, however, are all by definition, extremists. If you resent the reference he made, because you're not an extremist, disregard the post, silly, he wasn't talking about you. He was talking about left wing extremists. Same thing with muslim extremists -- they're dangerous bastards. Your garden variety muslim doesn't concern me so much.
#4: Mr. Mysterious -- if I see them laughing and am in the slightest bit suspicious that they are the shooters, I would do my darnedest to snatch them, hold them, call the cops, and press charges -- not so much because of the injury (I've been popped in the throat with paintballs, not pleasant) but because of the precendent being set (you do jackass delinquent things = you get punished) and the principle of it.
Andrew Rothman
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Your county is far too concerned with jargon.
Around here, it would sound more like this:
Dispatch: 120?
Unit 120: 120.
Dispatch: 120, go to North Lotus Lake Park. Caller reports teenagers shooting paintballs at kids on the playground.
Unit 120: Copy.
Around here, it would sound more like this:
Dispatch: 120?
Unit 120: 120.
Dispatch: 120, go to North Lotus Lake Park. Caller reports teenagers shooting paintballs at kids on the playground.
Unit 120: Copy.
igor
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For the record, I entirely agree with the actions of the thread starter and I know that tagging unprotected people with paintball markers is both hazardous and painful.
Nevertheless, I cannot agree with the police brandishing firearms when approaching this "threat" (mistake a paintball marker for a firearm in broad daylight? Hardly.). Let me rephrase that:
if a non-LEO armed citizen had proceeded to stop the little bästärds while brandishing a firearm in the process, what kind of a ?????storm would y'all expect to hit armed citizen in question? <nomex body condom on>
Nevertheless, I cannot agree with the police brandishing firearms when approaching this "threat" (mistake a paintball marker for a firearm in broad daylight? Hardly.). Let me rephrase that:
if a non-LEO armed citizen had proceeded to stop the little bästärds while brandishing a firearm in the process, what kind of a ?????storm would y'all expect to hit armed citizen in question? <nomex body condom on>
greyhound
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Yeah, that some 12/14 year old thinks he's "hard" enough to mouth off at cops with drawn guns.
Forget "respecting your elders" now we don't even respect armed men.
Not a good sign for the future....
You did good!!! Punks picking on kids, possibly blinding them. There's consequences to what we do. Respect other folks. All part of growing up. Some people learn the hard way. You may have saved their life. If one of those children had been mine I would have put them in the hospital. To have their paintball guns removed from their backside.
Joshua Hutchison
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What horrible little punks
rayra, G21dude:
check the original quote. Standing Wolf said:
I don't really know why I bothered to respond to his comment, except that this kind of mindlessness is so tiresome and needs to be pointed out as so once in a while around here.
check the original quote. Standing Wolf said:
In other words, he proposed that there is some direct correlation between being a punk/thug as a 12-year old, and being a political extremist as an adult, and that those punks/thugs will only fall to the left side of the spectrum when adults. Well, clearly that is absurd.
I don't really know why I bothered to respond to his comment, except that this kind of mindlessness is so tiresome and needs to be pointed out as so once in a while around here.
G21dude
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roscoe
roscoe -- good point, I was a young punk and turned out to be a conservative, gun owning, CCW carrying, regular voting, Christian. The arresting officers wouldn't believe it.
roscoe -- good point, I was a young punk and turned out to be a conservative, gun owning, CCW carrying, regular voting, Christian. The arresting officers wouldn't believe it.
BluesBear
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I salute you for having the courage and convictions to call the police before anyone was injured further.
I also applaud the police for their response. What if the person calling had no knowledge of firearms and had called 911 saying they looked like they were shooting paintball guns but in favt they had been high powered air rifles or even real firearms? Better to err on the side of caution.
If you have ever been hit by a paintball while not wearing protection you will quickly realize that sometimes the T in paintball is SILENT!
I also applaud the police for their response. What if the person calling had no knowledge of firearms and had called 911 saying they looked like they were shooting paintball guns but in favt they had been high powered air rifles or even real firearms? Better to err on the side of caution.
If you have ever been hit by a paintball while not wearing protection you will quickly realize that sometimes the T in paintball is SILENT!
JamisJockey
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Me too. I almost had my eye taken out with a BB gun. It hit my nose to the left and ricocheted off my cheekbone. I had a scar for many years, its pretty well gone now.
I would have called the police, but they may have gotten thier paintball guns taken away by me, first.
Not that long ago, while I was cycling, some kid about 16, with 2 of his friends in thier little pickup come up behind me honking, yelling and cursing. They passed, and got caught at a red light. Lo and behold, they left thier window down...I came around the drivers side, reached in, and took the key out of the ignition
Tossed it in the gutter and rode off. Little bastards....
pittspilot
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I wonder how long American Society will continue to tolerate this type of behavior from its young men.
I grew up in South Africa, and to some degree there was a feeling of village when it came to raising young men.
More like the concept of alpha male. Young men were definitely not it. To disrespect an adult, let alone a cop, was considered a grave breech of your father's and the society's honor. Such a breech would be met with massive and instantaneous retribution. From the adult who was disrespected, as well as any other adult present. This was usually condoned and heavily reinforced by the violaters father, uncle, grandfather and every other male figure in the family.
What is curious is that while this may sound harsh, in actuality it was not. The code of conduct was crystal clear as was the punishment for violating it. Boys were expected to be boys, and they were given plenty of room to do so. However, disrespect was not tolerated.
This does not seem a hard concept for me, but I guess it is, since I don't see it in action here. Instead, I see adults intimidated by teenagers, and pre-teens. In this group of adults, I include myself. Because I know I will not be backed by the parents, the law or the adults standing by.
I grew up in South Africa, and to some degree there was a feeling of village when it came to raising young men.
More like the concept of alpha male. Young men were definitely not it. To disrespect an adult, let alone a cop, was considered a grave breech of your father's and the society's honor. Such a breech would be met with massive and instantaneous retribution. From the adult who was disrespected, as well as any other adult present. This was usually condoned and heavily reinforced by the violaters father, uncle, grandfather and every other male figure in the family.
What is curious is that while this may sound harsh, in actuality it was not. The code of conduct was crystal clear as was the punishment for violating it. Boys were expected to be boys, and they were given plenty of room to do so. However, disrespect was not tolerated.
This does not seem a hard concept for me, but I guess it is, since I don't see it in action here. Instead, I see adults intimidated by teenagers, and pre-teens. In this group of adults, I include myself. Because I know I will not be backed by the parents, the law or the adults standing by.
Mr. Mysterious
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Thats a classic!
JamisJockey
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So are the names they called me when they realized I was getting/had thier keys.
Another instance of two punk teens in a pickup (see a theme?), one yelled at me as they went by. Rolled up on 'em at the very next light, they were jamming out to the radio...banged the back of the cab with my left hand (on the passenger side) and yelled....the unbelted passenger damn near ended up in the drivers lap....and his face looked like this
For some reason when I wear my newest cycling jersey, people usually don't mess with me...
We had a problem with that around here recently, when some kids were shooting people riding their bikes in the park. I'm a pretty avid paintballer, so this infuriated me to no end. Cops did nothing, saying that the kids always ran away.
A few days after a particularly nasty attack on a woman and her husband, a local decided to end the mischief. He loaded up his Smart Parts Impulse, bought 500 rounds of Marballizer, and put on an extra layer of clothing.
He stalked the misfits for about 20 minutes, before they spotted him, and immediately began firing. Unknown to them, their shots merely bounced off his body, and did absolutely no harm to him. He bellowed some curse words, and proceeded to charge the punks.
Now, this guy wasn't a small man by any means. At 19 years old, he was a veritable giant, and shockingly intimidating to say the very least. Making sure to get good and close to avoid face hits, he pummeled the jerks with at least 300 rounds. They quickly dropped to the ground, and begged him to stop. He said fine, and ordered them to march out of the woods.
The guys didn't live far away, and the two were walked to their homes, where they were sat on their porches, and made to admit their guilt to the authorities via cell phone. When the officers came into view, the vigilante sprinted off, never to be seen again. All this happened in full view of a camera set up at a neighbors home, who had been monitoring the boys under the suspicion that they had been TP-ing his home.
Morally right? Debatable. Legal? No. Somewhat comforting to know that we can walk in the forest without worry? Absolutely.
We dubbed the guy 'The Punisher' for obvious reasons.
A few days after a particularly nasty attack on a woman and her husband, a local decided to end the mischief. He loaded up his Smart Parts Impulse, bought 500 rounds of Marballizer, and put on an extra layer of clothing.
He stalked the misfits for about 20 minutes, before they spotted him, and immediately began firing. Unknown to them, their shots merely bounced off his body, and did absolutely no harm to him. He bellowed some curse words, and proceeded to charge the punks.
Now, this guy wasn't a small man by any means. At 19 years old, he was a veritable giant, and shockingly intimidating to say the very least. Making sure to get good and close to avoid face hits, he pummeled the jerks with at least 300 rounds. They quickly dropped to the ground, and begged him to stop. He said fine, and ordered them to march out of the woods.
The guys didn't live far away, and the two were walked to their homes, where they were sat on their porches, and made to admit their guilt to the authorities via cell phone. When the officers came into view, the vigilante sprinted off, never to be seen again. All this happened in full view of a camera set up at a neighbors home, who had been monitoring the boys under the suspicion that they had been TP-ing his home.
Morally right? Debatable. Legal? No. Somewhat comforting to know that we can walk in the forest without worry? Absolutely.
We dubbed the guy 'The Punisher' for obvious reasons.
winstonsmith
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As a member of these jackasses age group, I feel ashamed. If I had been there, those guys would have been severely punished. And I would have two new paintball guns.
Me: Hey, man, that's a cool gun! Lemme see!
Dickhead #1: Uhh
Dickhead #2: Sure, here ya go. OWW YOU KICKED ME IN THE KNEE WITH YOUR BOOTS! I CAN'T GET UP!
Me: (to DH #1) Drop the gun and kneel down. Interlace your fingers behind your head. Slowly.
DH #1: Noo don't hurt me *whine*
Me: (to emergency services) Two youths in blankety blank park were shooting other youths with paintball guns. I've secured the paintball guns, and the youths. Please advise.
Of course, then I'd get popped for assault and petty theft, being a teenager myself. Disrespect can go both ways.
Edit:
Imagine the legal ????storm if one used lethal force against kids with paintball guns... Oy vey.
Me: Hey, man, that's a cool gun! Lemme see!
Dickhead #1: Uhh
Dickhead #2: Sure, here ya go. OWW YOU KICKED ME IN THE KNEE WITH YOUR BOOTS! I CAN'T GET UP!
Me: (to DH #1) Drop the gun and kneel down. Interlace your fingers behind your head. Slowly.
DH #1: Noo don't hurt me *whine*
Me: (to emergency services) Two youths in blankety blank park were shooting other youths with paintball guns. I've secured the paintball guns, and the youths. Please advise.
Of course, then I'd get popped for assault and petty theft, being a teenager myself. Disrespect can go both ways.
Edit:
Imagine the legal ????storm if one used lethal force against kids with paintball guns... Oy vey.
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