Kids taught to fight back against school shooters

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Oct 13, 2:42 PM EDT

Texas School Tells Classes to Fight Back

By JEFF CARLTON
Associated Press Writer

BURLESON, Texas (AP) -- Youngsters in a suburban Fort Worth school district are being taught not to sit there like good boys and girls with their hands folded if a gunman invades the classroom, but to rush him and hit him with everything they got - books, pencils, legs and arms.

"Getting under desks and praying for rescue from professionals is not a recipe for success," said Robin Browne, a major in the British Army reserve and an instructor for Response Options, the company providing the training to the Burleson schools.

That kind of fight-back advice is all but unheard of among schools, and some fear it will get children killed.

But school officials in Burleson said they are drawing on the lessons learned from a string of disasters such as Columbine in 1999 and the Amish schoolhouse attack in Pennsylvania last week.

The school system in this working-class suburb of about 26,000 is believed to be the first in the nation to train all its teachers and students to fight back, Browne said.

At Burleson - which has 10 schools and about 8,500 students - the training covers various emergencies, such as tornadoes, fires and situations where first aid is required. Among the lessons: Use a belt as a sling for broken bones, and shoelaces make good tourniquets.

Students are also instructed not to comply with a gunman's orders, and to take him down.

Browne recommends students and teachers "react immediately to the sight of a gun by picking up anything and everything and throwing it at the head and body of the attacker and making as much noise as possible. Go toward him as fast as we can and bring them down."

Response Options trains students and teachers to "lock onto the attacker's limbs and use their body weight," Browne said. Everyday classroom objects, such as paperbacks and pencils, can become weapons.

"We show them they can win," he said. "The fact that someone walks into a classroom with a gun does not make them a god. Five or six seventh-grade kids and a 95-pound art teacher can basically challenge, bring down and immobilize a 200-pound man with a gun."

The fight-back training parallels the change in thinking that has occurred since Sept. 11, when United Flight 93 made it clear that the usual advice during a hijacking - Don't try to be a hero, and no one will get hurt - no longer holds. Flight attendants and passengers are now encouraged to rush the cockpit.

Similarly, women and youngsters are often told by safety experts to kick, scream and claw they way out during a rape attempt or a child-snatching.

In 1998 in Oregon, a 17-year-old high school wrestling star with a bullet in his chest stopped a rampage by tackling a teenager who had opened fire in the cafeteria. The gunman killed two students, as well as his parents, and 22 other were wounded.

Hilda Quiroz of the National School Safety Center, a nonprofit advocacy group in California, said she knows of no other school system in the country that is offering fight-back training, and found the strategy at Burleson troubling.

"If kids are saved, then this is the most wonderful thing in the world. If kids are killed, people are going to wonder who's to blame," she said. "How much common sense will a student have in a time of panic?"

Terry Grisham, spokesman for the Tarrant County Sheriff's Department, said he, too, had concerns, though he had not seen details of the program.

"You're telling kids to do what a tactical officer is trained to do, and they have a lot of guns and ballistic shields," he said. "If my school was teaching that, I'd be upset, frankly."

Some students said they appreciate the training.

"It's harder to hit a moving target than a target that is standing still," said 14-year-old Jessica Justice, who received the training over the summer during freshman orientation at Burleson High.

William Lassiter, manager of the North Carolina-based Center for Prevention of School Violence, said past attacks indicate that fighting back, at least by teachers and staff, has its merits.

"At Columbine, teachers told students to get down and get on the floors, and gunmen went around and shot people on the floors," Lassiter said. "I know this sounds chaotic and I know it doesn't sound like a great solution, but it's better than leaving them there to get shot."

Lassiter questioned, however, whether students should be included in the fight-back training: "That's going to scare the you-know-what out of them."

Most of the freshman class at Burleson's high school underwent instruction during orientation, and eventually all Burleson students will receive some training, even the elementary school children.

"We want them to know if Miss Valley says to run out of the room screaming, that is exactly what they need to do," said Jeanie Gilbert, district director of emergency management. She said students and teachers should have "a fighting chance in every situation."

"It's terribly sad that when I get up in the morning that I have to wonder what may happen today either in our area or in the nation," Gilbert said. "Something that happens in Pennsylvania has that ripple effect across the country."

Burleson High Principal Paul Cash said he has received no complaints from parents about the training. Stacy Vaughn, the president of the Parent-Teacher Organization at Norwood Elementary in Burleson, supports the program.

"I feel like our kids should be armed with the information that these types of possibilities exist," Vaughn said.
 
Interesting. IMO anything at all is better than cowering waiting for a bullet.

I am reminded of the Flight 93 passengers. If you are gonna die then make darned sure the attacker/attackers go with you.!

Young folks can be very strong and agile - and could well have the ability to control a solitary BG, very quickly - in particular as a BG will for most part have made an assumption that his victims are only ever going to quake in their shoes.

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Yes indeed - a thread already running

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=227672
 
never take a pencil to a gunfight. His lead hollow point has more stopping power than your lead sharp point.:eek:

Best solution. Get children out of the public school and put them in home schools or private schools.

Public schools are little more than jails (metal detectors, cops roaming the halls to keep order, 8-9 hours a day 5 days a week, gangs breeding and intimidating :barf: ) Won't be sending my children there
 
Best solution. Get children out of the public school and put them in home schools or private schools.

The only reason that private schools are better than public schools is that they can kick out the students who pose a problem, either academic or disciplinary. You put all the public school kids into a private school and you get a public school that requires tuition.
 
Good for them...!!!!

"Students are also instructed not to comply with a gunman's orders, and to take him down."
My kinda kids! Go for it!!
Contrary to popular belief, the meek shall NOT inherit the earth but will just get killed in the melee.
Quit cowering and take responsibility!

:cuss:
 
The only reason that private schools are better than public schools is that they can kick out the students who pose a problem, either academic or disciplinary. You put all the public school kids into a private school and you get a public school that requires tuition.

not if private schools don't want them. they are private afterall. private schools will only take decent folks. let all the trash reform, stay home or rot in jail where they belong.

Also, do away with public schools and do away with a tax burden
 
The issue is defense in the school against visiting psychos. Not crackpot rants against public schools.

A psychotic can easily visit the private school when on a rampage and kill your little kiddie.

Doug - why don't you just go live on an island and spare the rest of us your scenarios and irrelevant ravings.

The problem with public schools is for most part the parents of some. Decent parents who are poor deserve decent public schools to enable their kids to have a future.

I'm a product of public education. I came from a family where my mom and dad didn't graduate high school and my mom grew up in an orphanage. I was lucky enough that I didn't live in your hateful nutball fantasy world. Thus, I earned a high degree and contributed to the top notch scientific literature. I became an educator and aided many more to better themselves.

Go wait for the zombies and leave the discussion to folks with intelligence and compassion. I do not regret paying taxes to give folks the opportunities I had. If you don't - go live in the woods. :fire: :cuss:
 
This has controversy written all over.....

First off, when they say kids is kinda broad. They expect young children to take down an armed assailant?! For God's sakes, it's one thing to expect that from adults but kids?! Way to get kids killed.......

You teach kids in school procedures in case of something happening, call for help where to go etc. NOT teach them to bum rush an armed psycho.

Sorry, but if it's my children their talking about they got something else coming. They don't want to spend cash or can't get any to increase security in the schools so they expect our kids to perform their duties and responsabilities?
 
The issue is defense in the school against visiting psychos. Not crackpot rants against public schools.

A psychotic can easily visit the private school when on a rampage and kill your little kiddie.

Doug - why don't you just go live on an island and spare the rest of us your scenarios and irrelevant ravings.

The problem with public schools is for most part the parents of some. Decent parents who are poor deserve decent public schools to enable their kids to have a future.

I'm a product of public education. I came from a family where my mom and dad didn't graduate high school and my mom grew up in an orphanage. I was lucky enough that I didn't live in your hateful nutball fantasy world. Thus, I earned a high degree and contributed to the top notch scientific literature. I became an educator and aided many more to better themselves.

Go wait for the zombies and leave the discussion to folks with intelligence and compassion. I do not regret paying taxes to give folks the opportunities I had. If you don't - go live in the woods.

:scrutiny: LOL! :D Prof. Meyer from TFL I presume. I must have really hit a nerve with all the ":fire:" and ":cuss:" Why am I so important to you? Between here and TFL, you seem to throw a lot of energy into making fun of me and criticizing me as you jump to conclusions about me and my posts. I hope you don't think you don't need to justify yourself to me. If my threads and posts bother you so personally...read past them. BUT, maybe it it helps your sense of self-worth making me your personal straw man. If that is the case...go ahead, I don't mind. :) I can ignore.

Well, enough time spent on this reply. Happy ranting and raving.;)
 
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