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King Of 2 Miles....

Discussion in 'Competition Shooting' started by hubel458, Aug 6, 2016.

  1. hubel458

    hubel458 Member

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    King of the 2 Miles shoot at Whittington a month ago.


    Mitchell Fitzpatrick and his spotter Paul Phillips won KING trophy with a score of 65k. Mitchell used his
    impressive .375 Lethal Precision Arms LLC rifle shooting prototype solid 400gr Berger bullets. He built
    this rifle himself using a McMillan A5 Super Mag stock, Rock Creek barrel, Nightforce ATACR MOA scope,
    Phoenix Precision Bipod and a Lethal Precision Arms muzzle brake. Remarkably, Mitchell nailed first- and
    second-shot hits at the 2477-yard target, a full 1.4 miles away.

    The performance of Mitchell Fitzpatrick’s .375 Lethal Precision Arms LLC rifle with a prototype
    400 grain Berger Bullets solid was superb, (G7 BC of 0.56 at 3000 fps). ” Berger’s new
    prototype .375-cal 400gr projectile around 2850 [that] we have been developing gave us a monumental ballistic advantage. [It was] without a doubt, a key to our success"
    With any extreme shooting, it is equipment and cartridge as well as skill and this
    performance helped Mitch win the match.

    Mitchell gave credit to his team-mates: “We had the best ballistic solutions possible thanks to the work done at
    Applied Ballistics LLC by the one and only Bryan Litz. Bryan is also a world-class wind coach and world champion
    shooter, and just an all-around class act. Paul was also invaluable to making the wind calls we needed to win this match.”

    Bryan got second place and Paul got 4th, both using Bryan's 338. There were a lot of shooters
    even some with 50 BMGs and big heavy guns.



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    Mitch is a here in Central Michigan, a few miles away, and he built his wildcat 375 Lethal using our
    585 HE brass. Made it full length, it is big one on the right in picture..
    He used the Lawton Action we had here. Ed


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  3. taliv

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    wow, did you get to participate?
     
  4. hubel458

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    No we just supplrd the 585HE cases for him to wildcat

    and he got the action he built the gun on we had here. Ed
     
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  6. hubel458

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    Some info about target 375 wildcats made from 585 HE ,

    both about same power, And,the guy in Alaska with the 375 Warlord version, has

    released it to public domain, he and I will have formed 375 Warlord cases, in a few weeks.

    He has also released the reamer to the public,being made by JGS, so anyone wanting to do

    a super ELR rifle, maybe get you a reamer ''now' on first reamer run at JGS,

    so maybe you can get a gun done this winter, with reamer in hand. Then

    go try the two mile contests next year..Ed
     
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    I couldn't count the X's I've hit at 1760 20 years ago but 2 miles that's somethin , I geuss with all this technology it won't be long we will be able to point our rifles straight up and fire and wait for the hit 3 miles away.
     
  8. hubel458

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    I'm doing just a test gun to find powders that will work giving best speeds, so

    as to find potential of the case and save guys time so they can get started quick.

    the reamer be here next week, gun ready for it.Ed
     
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    This really is "rocket science" kids......... I am truly in awe of these guys....
     
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  10. hubel458

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    Our 585HE, 700HE and the great 12ga FH are now in the new COTW book
    published in Oct, now out for sale,

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    We now have our target 375 HE cartridge, made by necking down our 585 HE.
    The guys doing other one couldn't make enough cases. We have
    A bunch of guys doing ours, into the 2 mile shooting venues, We're making cases,
    testing, reamer prints at reamer guys, we are getting guys going. The 2 mile
    shoot last year really got the interest booming for 375 necked from our case,

    How we size and seat 375 HE, one simple die, a 1" die, no monster dies needed
    A die we can make with resize reamer from reamer guy, a regular die body,then
    pass on to the next guy, those reamers can make a pile of dies.

    I do primer work separate, not in the press. SO First with lock ring set, I size cases.

    When coming back out of dies with case, we notice the case still well centered,
    held straight, when it is down as far as the length of the 375 HE neck... IE
    the sides and shoulder corner still supported tight.

    So we put washer or another lock ring on, same thickness as neck length,
    below original lock ring, screw down tight tight in press,

    Dies had a 5/8 x 24 thread in top, had powder fill bushing and other stuff same thread,
    reamed out from bottom to set bullet height, with ram, case,and bullet up,

    After priming, loading in the powder charge, we carefully start(boat tail makes it easy)
    bullet in case by hand, slide up in die, into holder, raise ram to to top, bullet seated
    perfect. Die can have different thread in top as long as big enough to hold seating
    bushing of some kind , that can be made from many items.

    These target bullets held in by strong neck tension, no crimping needed, and notice
    bullet point will get no marks or dents, fast, easy, no 380-500 buck special dies.
    Bushing centering bullet on ogive is very accurate.

    OVER 900 375HE cases piled behind presses getting done. About 600 on another
    bench nearly ready. Small batches in shelves.And we will do more.

    All 375 info, prints, specs, pictures, load data, etc, is public domain, worldwide,
    for any target, hunting, etc, use..Ed


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    We are just getting started, tested 300 gr flat base so far, with
    200gr ball,will test for speed in increasing weights , up to 400 gr;
    Got the 300 gr way over 3800 with longer freebore than what guys
    are doing with CEBs, Allows more powder. less pressure problems,
    Here is pic of extra old barrel we use checking a dozen freebore fits,
    using throater to ream freebore in stages, The bullet being checked in barrel
    is 400 gr, and case behind on desk has same and its overall length is 4.05",
    and we can get 185gr ball powder under it in the case.

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    Here are case measurements.

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    Those 600 cases behind being necked to 375 HE, just need deburring
    and 2 passes and they are done.Ed
     
  12. hubel458

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    Here is the neck swage die setup, group using couple like this now.

    A threaded die we put sleeve in to fit case, its top is threaded 7/8 x 14.

    Bullet seating stems with these dies is same thread and we had a bunch.

    They have 30 degree taper in them with hole, we redrill/reamed hole sizes

    .020" increments, for last 5 stages, First sets are just 7/8 x 14 die parts with

    30 degree chamfer we put on 6 of them. Matches case shoulder taper.

    We have 6 more of big threaded dies if some want to get one to sleeve and

    make neck swage, CH4 got those top stems to rework.

    Most wildcatters got die parts to rework,Ed

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    Test of 375 HE, 340 gr load, bullet out in

    long freebore getting 3700,

    On the case print the length from

    base to shoulder revised to 2.840".. Ed
     
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    About the revision in the case and reamer prints, and

    about hydraulic forming die setup we made, for 375 HE,

    Saves a lot of time and powder, and gets them to chamber size.

    The cases we and others necked had kind of what is called

    small love handles or donut, at the shoulder. If we tried holding it

    all in at the shoulder case too thick there when looked at

    by sectioning case . Even when we sectioned them to check

    after firing, But doing them in the hydraulic die, which is adjustable,

    with debth changes in the die, we was able to get shoulder looking right, by stretching

    out the donut, and shoulder forward, gained .020" length to shoulder, so

    made our test gun chamber longer, leaving belt step in same place,

    from base to shoulder to match, after firing, were better at the shoulder when sectioned,

    IE looked better on the inside of case sides to shoulder corner,

    and that is how we got the revision for reamer figured out best.

    Then got all reamer prints at Manson, PTG, JGS, updated.

    Case forming easier, proportions better, little more volume.

    Our hydro die, we made adjustable base, made things lot easier.

    In essence an adjustable chamber.. Ed
     
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    Got guys getting excited including family,on 416, so making up 416 cases for

    it already and doing final 416 HE, reamer print, have an action ready ,

    already have a 416 test barrel here to check it in, when they put it in the

    action in few days, and will be load and speed testing when cold spell breaks.

    https://www.facebook.com/Worlds-Longest-Shot-Challenge-646715345535539/


    Please check this out, a new real long range shoot planned for

    this summer in South Texas. Ed
     
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    After bunch of 416 HEs done will do some 408 HE s for guys, will have hydro die
    also to get accurate specs and have them at reamer makers.
    416 HE 202 gr. capacity..Getting interesting, reaming out CT chambers..Ed Hubel
     
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    Here is picture of couple of our 375HE cases with a 378 WEA

    on the left, our first cases middle has 330gr, other is 400 gr,Ed

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    A picture of our 375 HE hydro die.

    We use it on lathe bed, we give rod a dozen hits.

    Base is adjustable, which great aid in getting best case results. Ed..

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    Picture of the 416 HE target case, these run through

    the hydro-die, test gun done, testing soon, to confirm specs.Ed

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    Here is the before and after of 375 HE cases
    necked, 2 on left, and then formed in hydro die... Ed

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    Here is pic of 416 HSM second from left.
    Can be 3.60" to 4.00" long, ac long one pictured.
    Holds 280 gr ball powder under bullet. The
    3.6" case can hold about 250gr under bullet.. In picture,
    1st case is 416 HE, 2nd 416 HSM, 3rd 375 He, 4th 378 WEA.

    416 HSM will get 400gr to 4000 without needing BMG action,
    470 gr 3700, it may be the ultimate target, singleshot 416..
    Case will work in fat bolt actions, with heavy enough barrel
    to have good, milder, barrel harmonics and be under 50 lbs. Ed

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    Manson has 416 HE and 408 HE prints, as well as 375 HE
    He can also make you a resize die reamer from that info.
    We got 700 cases in 416 and one more pass if 408s wanted, ,
    Going to do more cases for these 2 sizes, Ed
    PM or email. ph 989-644-5228.. Here are specs for 416 HE.


    Length 3.32", belt diameter ,655", base dia .635" ,
    length base to to shoulder 2.860" , 30 deg shoulder.Ed
     
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    Our 416 HSM will have about 25gr more capacity than regular

    50bmg, and as for actions if you add up the fat bolt non-bmg

    actions, with .750"- .800" bolts, there are about a dozen, some priced

    pretty reasonable.

    For 416 HSM we can use a EU made primer I have some of, that

    is tamed down a little for smoother ignition, and its cup is harder

    than CCI 35s , so we can go quite high pressures. Rigging up

    hydraulics on my huge press for easier case shaping.

    When few cases fireformed we'll have exact specs for reamer guys.Ed
     
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    Tonopah, NV 2-Mile Match Aug 24 - 26, 2017
    Dates are August 24 to 26 (site zeros on the 23rd)
    Got info from LRO site,

    The Course of Fire is done and appears below. Couple of main points:
    ranges 1,300, 1,600, 1,900, 2,200, 2,500, 2,800, 3,100, and 3,525.
    The site is virtually flat, so slope is not an issue.....50 lb. maximum for rifles

    NO weight limit for gear, but you and your team need to be able to move
    it up onto the line in 2 - 3 minutes.No real limit to how the rifle is supported
    (front rest is ok, so are bipods and/or, tripods) so are portable shooting tables.
    You are allowed to obtain a site zero the day before the match starts,
    all targets are all 36" x 36"
     

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