Kramer Confidant undershirt holster

[Green Lantern]

About 2 days after placing my order, my Kramer Confidant undershirt holster (full length) arrived today.

I went by the measurement guide on the site - the shirt seems a *little* snug, but I would imagine that a loose fit would not be conductive to concealment.

I went with the Kramer "tank top" design after reading of how other shirts with a "t-shirt" design tend to sag around the neck to one side depending on the weight of the gun.

I'm a little wary of carrying DAO guns in there - I imagine my Glock 19 would be a no-no, unsure about my P3AT. I'm going to carry the latter unchambered in it for a while to see if my worries are founded or not. I DO have a Bersa Thunder .380 (with manual safety) that should be perfect, though.

The only caveat I have from my experience thus far is that the velcro seems to make noise when I move my arms a certain way.

If it works as advertised, it seems it would serve multiple useful roles - "light" carry, deep cover carry, and an unobtrusive way to carry a backup gun (or 2!). As advertised, you CAN conceal 2 guns under just a t-shirt!

I'll update as I get more experience with it, and welcome any other feedback from other owners as well.

 

[B yond]

I've always been curious about how long it takes to draw from one of those...

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

I've always been curious about how long it takes to draw from one of those...

Oh, it will be slow. You have to remove whatever outer garment you are wearing (usually this would be a shirt), undo the retaining strap (which may require the use of your other hand) and then, finally, get the gun out. You could speed up the process a little by literally ripping your shirt open. However, practice draws would be a little rough on shirts. It is a tradeoff, made for total concealment at the expense of a fast draw. This is one I would not be willing to make, but our needs and social situations are different.

I went by the measurement guide on the site - the shirt seems a *little* snug, but I would imagine that a loose fit would not be conductive to concealment.

From my analysis of it, agreed. If too loose it is likely to shift and sag away from your body.

 

[jwxspoon]

I've got a couple of the 5.11 shirts (one black, the other white). I like them, but you can really only wear them once and then they need washing. I wonder how many washes they will be able to withstand?

jw

 

[AK103K]

I have both the 5.11 and the Kramer. I prefer the Kramer.

With a little practice, its really not all that slow. If you leave a button open, (Its not obvious at all under a tie) you just slip your hand in under the shirt. I never had an issue with the velcro, noise or interference. You dont have to take anything off and only need one hand.

If you cant wear a cover garment, its one of the most concealable and day long comfortable holsters you will probably use. It can easily hide a Commander size gun and a double reload on the off side under a full cut dress shirt. That is a fairly heavy load though for all day, and it does start to wear on you towards the end of it. I personally prefer two SIG P230's in mine, which you dont even know are there. You can also get away with a little more fitted shirt.

The biggest advantage I see with it over the 5.11 is, you can wear a "real" tee shirt under it and it looks more normal with an open collar shirt. The 5.11 comes in white (a white that would make clorox proud I might add) and black or blue, I forget which. I have the white, and it looks like I just got out of Marine boot if I wear it. I also dont like the way the gun rides in the 5.11's pockets, as it moves around more than I like. I dont think you can carry as big a gun either.

 

[rwc]

If you put a single stitch in the bottom of one or both of the "channels" of one of the holsters you have a nice, secure way to carry spare mags or mag & light.

 

[AK103K]

If you use a double carrier on your belt, you can also just drop it in the off side pocket and use the velcro strap to secure it. This is what I used to do with my 1911 carrier.

 

[Packman]

If you buy yourself some western shirts, they'd make great cover garments. I wear them more than anything else now. They have snaps instead of buttons, so you can rip them open very, very easily without wrecking them.

Some of them aren't cut very well for that kind of concealing, but others I have are awesome. Checkout Panhandle Slim, I wear them constantly.

Packman