L.H. Hagen Staal & Co. (Old Norwegian Rifle)

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Don't know a lot about this unit other than what's stamped on it. It belongs to a friend of mine who's great-grandpa brought it over with him from Norway in the late 19th century.

Staal
L.H. Hagen & Co.
Christiania

I couldn't find a thing on Google about it but I was hoping someone here may know something about it.
 
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It is not much help, but Christiania was the old name for Oslo. Oslo had been used up to 1624, when the city was rebuilt after a fire and renamed Christiania (note spelling). In 1878, the name was changed to Kristiania, and in 1925, back to Oslo.

Allowing for some delay in changing markings, it would seem likely that the rifle was made prior to about 1878, which would seem consistent with your dating.

Jim
 
The reason I didn't include any more description is because I don't remember a whole lot about it as it's been a while since I've seen it. I'm going to go get pictures of it in a bit.

It has a hex barrel and a lever on the side which drops the action, like a falling block.

Pics to come...
 
From oldguns.net Q&A section

"Robert Gardner's "Small Arms Makers" lists "L.H. Hagan & Co.- Christiania (now Oslo) Norway, 1875-95. Exhibited rifles at the World's Columbian Exposition, Chicago, 1893.""
 
Good info John!

Still have no idea what caliber this thing could be...

I got some pics but the quality of them is nothing I'm too proud of.

Breech Open
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Closed
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Whole Rifle
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Breech View
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The good news is that Frank DeHaas illustrates, describes, and discusses this action in detail in 'Single Shot Rifles and Actions', chapter 49 "A Side Lever Martini". The bad news is, he didn't know where it came from.

There is an editor's note that John Amber had seen one with the Hagan markings in a museum in Durban, South Africa in 1968!

Rare? You bet.
Valuable? I don't know. It might be TOO scarce for anybody to know enough about it to care.
 
Tennstempelrifle.

Originally patented by a gunsmith named Larsen in Drammen, 30 or so miles west of Oslo.

The crank is a "leftover" from the Norwegian kammerlader-rifles, breech loading percussion rifles adopted by the military in 1842. On those the crank operated the hinged breech, on the tennstempel (firing pin) rifles of Larsen and Hagen the crank operated the breech block, a different action but looking somewhat similar.

I think Larsen made these rifles from the 1860s, Hagen presumably a few years later. As far as I know, they were made in pretty much any caliber the customer wanted.

I don't really know much about this and a quick internet search didn't really help. Except for finding this about a guy who recently used one apparantly chamered in .500/.450 express for an African hunt. I think even linguistically challenged Americans can figure out most of the caption, the last sentence means "dropped where it stood". http://forum.svartkrutt.net/forum_entry.php?id=374

I'm at work now and won't be home until well into the a.m. I think maybe I have a book with some facts at home, I'll see if I can find that tomorrow.
 
I continue to be amazed at the amount of knowledge out there on obscure guns. Wow! And hunting with one!

Oddly, I have the deHaas book but never made the connection.

Jim
 
I have looked for information. Didn't find a lot, but here it is.

Tennstempelrifles were used for both target shooting and hunting in Norway, by those who could afford them. They were expensive, I found a reference to an 1880 price list. The price of the cheapest tennstempelrifle was 2 1/2 times that of a Remington rolling block. The most expensive tennstempelrifle cost half again as much as that.

The rifles appear to have been quite popular among sealers, who both made a lot of money and would have considered a good rifle an investment, since their pay was directly tied to how many seal skins they brought back. Sealing involved shooting off hand standing in a small rowing boat in the open Arctic Ocean. A seal's head is a pretty small target, often shot at ranges of well over 100 meters with open sights and black powder trajectories, so these men would certainly appreciate a good rifle.

The rifles were as mentioned in my previous post designed by gunsmith Hans Larsen of Drammen. He held patents until 1886, but he did sell receivers to other gunsmiths who then added their own barrels and furniture. After 1886 L.H. Hagen made his own version of the rifle. Although Jim Keenan is right about Oslo's old name, it really doesn't help dating the rifle. The Norwegian government started referring to the city as Kristiania in 1877 (not '78), the municipality itself stayed with Christiania until 1897. I have no idea which spelling gunsmith Hagen preferred. And one thing I failed to mention in the first post: Staal is not a part of the name, it's simply the Norwegian word for steel (spelled stål in modern Norwegian). All rifles were of course made from steel, so I would guess the word indicates some level of "quality" steel, but I don't know.

Caliber could be anything from 12.17mm Norwegian ordnance to a number of the English black powder "express" calibers popular at the time. I think some may even have been made in smokeless chamberings such as 8mm Danish and 6.5x55. Maybe.

I found a couple of references to auctions that indicate that a tennstempelrifle in decent condition goes for something around $1500 in Norway. But I'm not a collector and have no idea how well this reflects the market, the price will of course also depend on model variations as well as condition. Besides, it's only worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it - you probably won't find hordes of American collectors fighting each other over something few people outside of Norway have ever heard of. I have never handled one myself, although I've seen the odd one in museums and such.

Hope this helps.
 
Very helpful, Thank You! It's cool to see a post from someone in the old world too I must say, being about 70% Norwegian (some of my great-grandparents immigrated from there) myself I've always been interested in the way people live over there.

Any idea what $1,500 Norwegian dollars are worth in US dollars?
 
We don't use dollars here at all, I already did the conversion. That's USD 1,500. Ish. A specimen in good condition is probably worth more, how much more I don't know.

There are actually a number of Norwegian members here at THR. Quite a large group really, considering we're a small country and English is a foreign language. Every now and then you're going to see a post from the "old country".
 
I'm afraid the reality of this rifle's origin is just a little more complicated than explained here. This rifle not only patented by Hans Larsen, Drammen, Norway, but actually also produced by Hans Larsen, Liege, Belgium and sold by L.H Hagen.

Mr Larsen had a fair amount of success with his "tennstempel rifles" and established a production unit in Belgium in the late 1870's. This actual rifle has a Belgium patent date of March 7. 1882 and was probably produced some time in the middle of the 1880's.

Due to a substansial production capacity, Larsen sold these rifles through a number of Norwegian gunsmiths, allowing them to engrave their own company's name on the barrel. You find this version (perhaps the nicest, but by far the most produced, of his tennstempel rifles) named LH Hagen, Hesselberg, Torgersen, Eriksen etc.

This is a very plain version of a tennstempel rifle with no carvings etc. and I'm afraid M67's estimation of the value is slightly unrealistic. I'd say this rifle with it's wear and tear is probably worth some USD 800. The Larsen signed rifles tend to be worth slightly more than the just signed by the seller. The bottom rifle on the picture is, however, worth a little bid more.

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I've made a little page on Hans Larsen's different designs in my collection and a page on Mr Hans Larsen.

Trond
 
L. H. Hagen & Co. Double barrel shotgun

A fellow brought a gun to me and asked if I could find some information on it. It is a double barrel shotgun. I haven't measured it yet but it appears to be 12Ga. The metal is browned not blued. There is a moderate amount of engraving. The barrels are steel, not damascus. There is a buckhorn style rear sight on the rib. It has sling swivels front and rear. On the underside of the rib are the words L. H. Hagen & Company, Christiania. The overall condition is about NRA fair. According to my reference books it seems the firearm was manufactured around 1880 in Christiania (Oslo) Norway. Can anyone shed more light on this firearm and an estimated value?
 
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