Large collection confiscated

[Roswell 1847]

A friend has a NAZI Flag , his Father brought it back from WW2 along with he pistol of a German Airman he recovered from the wreckage of a Bomber he shot down in North Africa during an airstrike on his position.
The Father of another friend had a huge collection of NAZI stuff, he'd been invalided home due to a respiratory disease and his buddies sent their souveniers home with him, but none returned to claim them.
In my lifetime far more real NAZI memorabilia have been in collections of those who earned the right to display them as honorable trophies of their service than the fake NAZI Chic crap that adorns the walls of Racists A-holes who think Hitler was cool.

Who knows what the old man had in his mind, we only have reports of what he had in his house.
If there was any reason to believe he belonged to the KKK you'd have heard about it by now.

 

[zoom6zoom]

I thought it was interesting that the first advertising link in the bottom of the video when I loaded it was for Mayor Bloomberg's website...

 

[k-frame]

Another version

http://www.journalgazette.net/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071215/LOCAL07/712150334

Police find 300 weapons in home
By Abby Slutsky
The Journal Gazette
Angola police found about 300 guns in 71-year-old man’s home after he threatened some tree trimmers with an unloaded shotgun, police said.

Angola Police Detective Tim Crooks said police were called to Williams and Randolph streets at 9 a.m. Thursday when the homeowner became angry that the tree trimmers were cutting down four maple trees in his yard.

After making some threats, Crooks said, the man returned to his home and retrieved a shotgun before returning to the yard and threatening the tree trimmers.
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None of the weapons was illegal and police got a search warrant to allow them to take the weapons from the home and store them safely until the man’s family can get them, he said.

No charges have been filed against the man and because of the seriousness of his medical problems it is likely that none will be filed, Crooks said.

See the link for the rest of the story.

Apparently it's the police who are providing the 1 million rounds estimate.

 

[fearless leader]

Angola Police Detective, Tim Crooks:

None of the weapons was illegal and police got a search warrant to allow them to take the weapons from the home and store them safely until the man’s family can get them, he said.

No charges have been filed against the man and because of the seriousness of his medical problems it is likely that none will be filed, Crooks said.

I still don't understand why they ,the police, can decide he can't have his guns anymore. He hasn't been proven guilty of anything, and they aren't going to charge him. Why are they then giving his guns to his family.....

Hey, wait, isn't that Uncle Felix? Yeah, that's the ticket....I'll be right there.......

 

[outofbattery]

The power company comes and cuts the trees in front of my father's a couple times a year without sending out notices.He's 75 and served 20 years including 19 months in Korea before being wounded.He owns a .30 carbine,his favorite,a few WWII bringbacks that were his older brother's and a P-38 given to him by a former panzer commander who thought he didn't need to keep it any longer,while serving in Germany in the late 50's.He's sharp as a tack,still works and knows better than to threaten people doing their jobs.Being elderly in no way means that someone should not own firearms.

However,the old guy in this story isn't the victim.If he's no longer able to interact in an acceptable manner,which to me includes threatening people who are behaving lawfully, it has come time that he shouldn't be able to have firearms anymore.If he has any family,they should be able to take possession rather than having them confiscated.As for no charges being filed,it's law enforcement using common sense and discretion,which often seems to be lacking these days.They certainly could charge him with assault,but given his age and health along with the general ability to understand that he's otherwise not a danger to anyone,it just doesn't make sense to.

The story contains quite a bit of hyperbole and sensationalism but that's sadly what I expect these days.

I think a good question is: if you're 100% lawfully going about your job and an irate person suddenly appears,pointing a shotgun at you,what would you do?

 

[22-rimfire]

think a good question is: if you're 100% lawfully going about your job and an irate person suddenly appears,pointing a shotgun at you,what would you do?

The problem is that the tree cutters believed they were doing their job lawfully. Just following orders.... every hear that one to justfy actions..... wait till the police knock on your door to confiscate the firearms they believe you own because you didn't register them in the future. I speculate that the the 71 year old didn't know that the trees were actually on the utility easement and he was protecting his property until he got an informed decision on the issue. These people were not tree trimmers, they were cutting the trees down completely. Once cut down, they are gone like our 2A rights.

And I have been threatened by a man toting a shotgun while doing my job.

 

[k-frame]

The story contains quite a bit of hyperbole and sensationalism but that's sadly what I expect these days.

In the second story from the Journal Gazzette? Which part? It seemed rather matter of fact to me.

I personally discount the story/video from the local broadcast outlet rather heavily. It's TV entertainment first, journalism a distant second, if ever.

 

[fearless leader]

I haven't done any service jobs lately that I feel that strongly about that when the man went in to GET the gun, I would be waiting when he returned.

Had I have been in charge of the work crew, I would given him time to go over my head and told my team that we would come back to him, after he has had time to talk to my superiors.

They were legally doing their jobs, yes, but he may have felt they were wrong, and once the tree is gone, it's gone. From the video I saw, it appears they didn't leave any trees. I'd have been angry too.

Some states used to afford you certain protections of the crime you can be charged with if you use an unloaded weapon. I don't know about Indiana.

 

[simpleguy]

A million rounds? Over 100handguns and 200rifles? Sounds like some of us need to invite him to the range and see those babies in action!

 

[MRIman]

He has just set a new "bar" for me!! I've got 33 years to catch him!!


MRI

 

[bfhcards]

If he was too ill to be in jail he must be in a bad way. He must have had a really nice retirement. I wonder what the total value of all those guns and ammo is. In regards to the Nazi flag, is there a chance it’s a war trophy of some sort? Absolutely. Is there an equal chance it could be some part of his belief system and he is a racist? Absolutely. It could be either scenario.

 

[k-frame]

None of the weapons was illegal and police got a search warrant to allow them to take the weapons from the home and store them safely until the man’s family can get them, he said.

I'm not disputing the information that the guns were illegal in any way, but how did the police know that so quickly? Seems it would have taken them some time to check out 300 firearms?

 

[Robert Hairless]

Well his irrational response to a regular and lawful occurence suggests that he is part of a culture of violence. I am just theorizing like everyone else. You thought that it is a WW II bringback from his dad. I think the man is a crazed racist. We each have our own theories. However I think mine is more logical simply because the man threatened violence for a lawful act. He could be a gang member, right? Its just a theory.

No, mindless babbling is not "just a theory." It's just mindless babbling. And you're continuing it.

First you said that this 71-year-old man was a "bigoted racist" on no evidence at all. Now, with the same lack of evidence, you escalate him into a "crazed racist." You also turn the 71-year-old into "part of a culture of violence," which sounds like Carolyn McCarthy, the stupidest woman in Congress, making one of her record shattering idiotic statements. Not content with that idiocy you vie with Mrs. McCarthy for the 2007 trophy by suggesting that "He could be a gang member, right?" Good grief.

Have you at last no sense at all and no decency either. You're not "just theorizing like everyone else." Nobody else here is doing anything like what you're doing. There's nothing in that article that could lead anyone with a functioning mind to such wild, contradictory, and irresponsible babbling.

You might as well suggest that the 71-year-old man could be the point man for an invasion by Martians or a hostile teenage drag queen wearing old makeup while doing the hokey pokey. Well he could be, couldn't he?

In fact the followup article noted here exonerates the 71-year-old. It turns out that he wasn't even Al Sharpton on a pogo stick hopping around in search of Tawana Brawley. Well he could have been, couldn't he?

It was so early in the morning when I wrote my message that I forgot to say you don't read well either. What I said in my previous message was:

The man is the right age to have received a captured Nazi flag from a father, uncle, or other relative who fought in World War II.

What I made as a statement of fact about the man's age gets processed by your mental sausage grinder into "You thought that it is a WW II bringback from his dad."

If you actually do manage to become a lawyer I pity the client who hires you to collect a bill or defend a domestic case: he might find himself awaiting lethal injection on death row and wondering how you got him there.

Too many people exaggerate news stories of an incomplete nature by a minimally competent reporter published in marginally ethical newspapers. But it's rare to see such a track record of absolute nonsense. Enough.

 

[22-rimfire]

I wish Mr. Weldon well and feel for the loss of those trees in his front yard. He has probably looked at them for 30 years. No reason to be upset?

I have to say that the initial news report was really pathetic. Biased to the Nth degree. Go home journalist. I don't want to read your biased garbage. I would rather be totally clueless then to depend on that journalist to keep me informed.

 

[cobrian45]

Nice CETME, I love mine. Am I next?

 

[scout26]

I've got a copy of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Mein Kampf, and several other books about the SS and the German Army of WWII.

Boy, I bet my Rabbi would be surprised to read Scout26 is racist bigot, based on the Tecumseh standard.

 

[jaholder1971]

Well, the tree trimmers may well be on an easement, but it appears they wee stacking their waste well on his property.

Sounds like this guy's got some real health issues here that go way beyond RKBA. He didn't go to jail, he went to a hospital. His firearms aren't being held as evidence, but waiting to be released to relatives. No charges are being filed.

 

[slabuda]

I don't know if you've ever had to deal with those tree trimming idiots before but I can somewhat symphasize with the guy. I used to live in a 100+ year old neighborhood with huge tree lined streets. One day those guys show up and start hacking the middle's and tops out of the tree's . .absolutely nothing artistic about it and the neighborhood went from looking like a dream neighborhood with tree lined streets to looking like a scene from a sadistic bonsai gardener's fantasy.

Thats NIPSCO for ya.....my fathers trees looked like one of them weird looking yappy dogs with the funny haircuts when I was home on leave last year...t

hey guy is off his rocker to pull a shottie out for them cutting "his" trees, but when ya get a bit older the patience and sanity starts to wear off..and as I said with NIPSCO the patience wears thin...

 

[doc2rn]

Did anyone else here come to conclusion that this man is simply a racist bigot? That is my theory

No and this is an inapproriate thing to bring up about a sick elderly gentleman.

 

[Sage of Seattle]

None of the weapons was illegal and police got a search warrant to allow them to take the weapons from the home and store them safely until the man’s family can get them, he said.

Incorrect grammar. It's "None of the weapons were illegal..." and I didn't realize that a search warrant authorized seizure of any legal item.

I guess my logic is faulty here, but what if the old man was a baseball fanatic and came out of the house wielding a baseball bat. Would the cops think it reasonable to remove all of his baseballs or the huge collection of baseball bats he has?

And I must agree with the posters here who think that the news took a cheap shot to try and vilify him by mentioning the flag. I mean, really -- who cares? It's completely irrelevant to the incident at hand.

But hey. If the heroine from Colorado gets smeared for protecting the lives of her fellow churchmembers, why not smear everyone?

 

[jakemccoy]

Many gun owners feel it's ok to use deadly force to protect property. if I were the worker, I'd be pretty damn scared too.

 

[kludge]

Typical Ft.Wayne news reporting.

The guy probably planted the tree with his dad.

I hope he gets gets his guns back.

 

[Weimadog]

Did anyone else here come to conclusion that this man is simply a racist bigot? That is my theory

I didn't come to the same conclusion you did. The man had hundreds of guns, but the police could display only one Nazi flag. From what I've observed, true white supremacists can't stop at just one swastika. They'll collect all sorts of Nazi stuff.

Laying is guns out seems like an awful invasion of his privacy. I wouldn't want my gun count made public.

Also, not every object or symbol I own is a reflection of my values.

 

[MachIVshooter]

hey guy is off his rocker to pull a shottie out for them cutting "his" trees, but when ya get a bit older the patience and sanity starts to wear off..and as I said with NIPSCO the patience wears thin...

We don't know what the NIPSCO boneheads might have said to him to precipitate his hostility. HE had the shotgun on his second venture outside. He might have come outside the first time and told them to get off his property, and they might have responded threateningly. One 71 YO man vs. how many 20 or 30 somethings in good shape with tools that could easily be weilded as weapons. Not saying that's the case, but it seems that we're only getting part of the story.

 

[FLORIDA KEVIN]

I have a Nazi flag at home ! it was left to me by my mother who got it from her brother who brought it back from WW II after capturing it ! I am not a nazi Bigot ! Kevin