Large majority of shooters and murderers in the US are under 21 and can't legally purchase a handgun

[P5 Guy]

Florida's Historic Softening of 10 20 Life Law · (myfloridalaw.com)

10,20,Life lost some teeth.

 

[gyp_c2]

So...if yer' stopped and frisked on the side of the road, on the way outta' the church parking lot, bar, wherever. That particular officer just read a bulletin describing you and yer' wife being armed and dangerous child molesters, you'd be ok with sitting in jail fer' as long as it takes ta' come to trial? 'Cause you had yer' self protection device in the car?
Weirder and weirder.

 

[WheelGunMan]

"Large majority of shooters and murderers in the US are under 21 and can't legally purchase a handgun"

Yet the lawmakers don't seem to understand that that bad guys don't give two sh!?s about any NEW law that they propose. They don't pay much attention to the existing ones for that matter. They (the lawmakers) are only after what makes them popular so they can get reelected and continue to live on the government dole

 

[twofewscrews]

And unfortunately, I can't. It may well be the case in Chicago and/or other cities, but on state and federal levels, it doesn't appear to be true. I have never tried searching for gun crime perpetrators by age, and it appears that few statistics are presented that way. Looking at [URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/251884/murder-offenders-in-the-us-by-age/[/URL], as well as https://www.sagepub.com/sites/default/files/upm-binaries/60294_Chapter_23.pdf, violent crime appears to sharply rise from the age of about 15 to a peak at about 21, then gradually decline. It does appear that the average age of violent criminals decreasing, but I don't think there is any good data available for 2020 or 2021.

For what its worth, I took a couple semesters in John Jay College of Criminal Justice and I was told that the two greatest predictors of criminal behavior are gender and age. This should hold true on the local, state and federal level unless things have changed drastically in five years. Males between the ages of 14-24 are more likely to be in involved in some sort of criminal activity then males over the age of 24 or under 14. I was told this in three different classes and the numbers generally backed it up, or at least insofar as the FBI Uniform Crime Report is concerned. There are other sources but that's really the only one I can remember atm.

While it may appear the age of violent criminals is decreasing I wouldn't assume that its a trend. Numbers go up on down between given years but male 14-24 has been pretty constant since we started keeping records. Again I'm referencing the FBI Uniform Crime Report.

Unsolved murders muddy the water though. In certain communities murders go unsolved more often then not and this really messes with the numbers. Generally though, in the same way when a spouse is murdered your first suspect is the living spouse, when a young man is murdered your first suspect is another young man. Many of the unsolved murders take place in large urban areas where gun violence common.

 

[Tirod]

90 % of weapons used in gun crimes obtained illegally (2019 report):

https://patriotpost.us/articles/60599-90-percent-of-guns-used-in-crime-obtained-illegally-2019-01-17

http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire...ng-of-anticrime-campaign-biden-cites-old-data

Most are stolen. Taking out the storefront robberies where there is almost no security and it's all just glass windows, display cases, and a whole lot of effort to put guns in a safe - yeah, real good thinking there - the rest come from - you and me.

Home breakins, and thefts from vehicles or the entire vehicle. Under 21 ransack neighbor's cars constantly for items to sell for drug money, a gun in the door pocket or glove box? That is the reason why some politicians want to increase penalties for unsecure guns, and you and me GIVE them the ammo to push for it.

Home theft is just as bad and outlying homes unattended during the day a prime target. White van in the drive must be a home repair guy. Yeah, sure, and in most cases, the homeowner showed them the guns 6 weeks previously when they hooked up with one of the kids and came over chillin - to case your house. Then later their dad or the lead gangbanger went with them at just the right time, done. Gun safes slow a lot of that down, get the idea you are on vacation and they have the time.

These guns aren't being stolen out of the mail, Postal Police are on that a lot, plus packages are tracked. Some are going out the back door of retail, but the owners are also watching for that. Some go out the front door, I saw a stainless. .44 Smith disappear from a locked case at Montgomery Wards at our mall in the day, they simply pried up the glass top case with a pocket knife, took three steps and out the side door. Not secure at all. Stupid, in fact. We have more secure video card exchanges with rolling grilles here than secure gun keeping in stores. The local FFL had his window smashed late one night, a dozen guns taken. They showed up 125 miles away on Craigslist. That didn't turn out well for them. Add the parking lots full of gun stickers on cars and trucks saying "rob me."

A lot of people online tell us they leave guns in cars 24/7, yet very few admit to having a gun stolen because of it. Oops. there goes $500 - 1,100 with holster and ammo. Tragic boat accident is beginning to sound like "My gun got swiped I'm hiding the fact." Sorry, guns in places like Chicago are YOUR guns. I'm doing what I can to keep mine out of their hands.

1) Don't leave guns in vehicles, ever. If that is an issue for some, then either don't go with a gun, or spend the same amount of money on a gun safe. We justify spending the same as the gun on an optic, but it's ok to not spend the same again to keep it? Naah, just drop it in a door pocket or the console. And those are the first places someone looks when breaking into your car.

2) Don't leave guns in unlocked cabinets in the home especially the same old ones we always talk about all the time here. Of course it's called a nightstand gun, - that's where to find it. Feed your dog enough over weeks at a time and ol Rover is waiting for his handout, not barking at an intruder. Even more, have a schedule where the house is unoccupied, and even worse, unseen from the road, and you have a recipe for disaster. The workers you have around doing repairs and chores may be a reputable company, however, some of the actual laborers may be feeding tips to their cohorts. No, they don't show up, they have a cover. No, you do NOT give them your house key so they can dupe it at the Walmart key machine. In fact, it shouldn't even be a key blank offered. And NO, you don't trust electronics, they do not work without electricity, which is super easy to cut. And you do put up security window film which will withstand them throwing blocks and rocks all day and not get in.

Gun security is more about don't ask don't tell, chase off that nosy guy at the range, keep the neighbor kids clueless about your guns, keep their older brothers off balance about your schedule, and keep their handlers out of your stash by hardening the home. You will be better off, grandpa's Luger or 1911 will stay put, and one less gangbanger in Detroit will bite the dust from your carry gun you forgot and left in the truck. You and I are the gun sources they use, don't be that guy.

 

[Tirod]

And BTW, while vacationing on the Gulf I read where a nice couple were at an upscale Mall in north Houston, when they left to go home on their motorcycles they were trailed by gangbangers who arrived just as the garage door was open. They pushed their way in, beat them, and took valuables. They were followed more than 35 miles.

It was described as a technique used in Central America and since more "refugees" are crossing the border it's happening with more frequency. We know who to blame for that.

 

[shafter]

When it comes to gun crime what I really want to know is the percentage that is carried out criminal on criminal vs criminal on law abiding citizen. Criminals are always doing all sorts of sketchy things with each other and are the first to cry when something goes wrong and something always goes wrong.

Maybe instead of sending these people to jail we would just assign "non victim" status to known offenders and let them fend for themselves without the benefit of police services.

 

[lemaymiami]

Actually "follow home" robberies are a lot more common than you'd think - and have been going on long before I hired into police work in 1973... The impetus as far as I can see is for the robbers is to be able to select a victim then simply follow until they're at home or any place that allows a crime without the danger of bystanders (or cops) intervening... I can remember carefully instructing my wife when we were first married (this was years ago) how to handle things if she even suspected that someone was following her home... The very first item was to make a point of driving around a block - and NOT going home.. Instead simply drive to the nearest police department... Failing that, someplace with lots of people where you could exit your vehicle and immediately walk into a store or other spot with lots of people while waiting for the cavalry to arrive... Years later the instruction involved using that cell phone to call in the cavalry...

During holiday season the department I worked for, a 100 many outfit in a suburban type city down in Dade county - the Miami area... paid special attention to shopping areas. Particularly, the parking lots where potential bad guys were "shopping", driving through parking lots looking for easy victims for a purse snatch - or something more serious... Towards the end of my years in police work more and more cities were beginning to design or influence the design of suburban parking lots using CPTED (crime prevention through enviornmental design) principles. The idea is to design vehicle lanes in such a way that it would frustrate anyone driving through slowly looking for victims. If you've ever been in a parking lot that seemed deliberately designed to be a PITA to enter or exit - that might be a good example.... Another CPTED principle, reducing areas that block the view of residents - allowing bad actors to do drugs or commit other crimes shows up in fences and walls that are deliberately designed to be see through structures (that Wall along our southern border for instance...). I actually was sent through a course on the topic when I was our Community Patrol commander for a few years... Interesting stuff -and maybe we all do better when we work, not harder - but smarter...

 

[wbm]

Antigun laws are not about crime nor criminals. They are about control.

+1.
My son recently returned from Cuba. In private conversations he asked why don't people resist? Answer. "We don't have anything to resist with."

 

[4v50 Gary]

End the trend of single parent families. Boys need a father figure. Thanks LBJ (not).

 

[Archie]

The biggest mistake in all this is to blame an inanimate object and ignore the misbehaving human involved.

 

[MachIVshooter]

Don't make the mistake of thinking gun control has anything to do with improving public safety. Never has. It's always been about people control.

 

[JemezDave]

It's almost like gun control is not about guns...

It’s not-It’s about power.

 

[old lady new shooter]

And BTW, while vacationing on the Gulf I read where a nice couple were at an upscale Mall in north Houston, when they left to go home on their motorcycles they were trailed by gangbangers who arrived just as the garage door was open. They pushed their way in, beat them, and took valuables. They were followed more than 35 miles.

It was described as a technique used in Central America and since more "refugees" are crossing the border it's happening with more frequency. We know who to blame for that.

Yep, I remember a video a couple of years ago where it happened to a couple in Brazil. Unfortunately for the BGs husband was an off-duty cop.

 

[SunnySlopes]

It's not just about age. It's about race. The vast majority of criminals with guns are black minors. Yet, our dilapidating society refuses to acknowledge the obvious. Quite the opposite. Our dilapidating society insists that any such acknowledgment is racist on the part of those who are doing the acknowledging.

Until this country gets its collective head out of its collective butt, the aforementioned gun crimes will continue to escalate. Laws or no laws.

 

[GEM]

A discussion of race usually goes very badly, so to avoid that poop show, I’ll call this. You may note that our faq mentioned that .