Laser 'optical incapacitator' issued in Iraq

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The U.S. military has given troops in Iraq a laser device to temporarily blind drivers who ignore warnings at vehicle checkpoints, the Pentagon said on Thursday.

Army Lt. Col. Barry Venable, a Pentagon spokesman, defended its use as legal and said the devices were intended to prevent civilians from being shot.

"There have been numerous incidents that tragically have resulted in civilian deaths" in which drivers approaching U.S. military checkpoints have failed to heed warnings from troops, who in some cases have opened fire, he said.

The U.S. military is fitting some M-4 rifles used by U.S. forces in Iraq with a tube-shaped device that is about 10 1/2 inches (27 cm) long that shines a laser beam. Venable stressed that the devices do not cause permanent blindness.

"They don't blind people. It's like shining a big light in your eyes," Venable said. "I think the term is optical incapacitation -- dazzlers as opposed to something that will blind you."

Venable said he did not know how long the "optical incapacitation" effect lasted.

"These are not illegal weapons. And in fact, calling them weapons would be a misnomer," Venable said. "They are a warning device intended to be inserted into the escalation-of-force process to minimize unnecessary casualties. You could call it a nonlethal weapon if you must call it a weapon."

"We haven't developed, acquired or fielded any blinding laser weapons that are designed to cause permanent blindness," Venable added.

Venable said he did not know how widespread the usage of the devices was in Iraq. The Los Angeles Times first reported the use of the devices.

In the 3-year-old war, violence at military checkpoints has been frequent, with American forces sometimes opening fire on cars and trucks that ignore warnings to stop or come too close. Insurgents often have attacked troops at checkpoints, sometimes with car bombs. But civilians also have been shot in incidents that resulted from apparent misunderstandings.

Source: CNN
 
Sounds like a useful tool to me. A driver who doesn't habla english or who is deaf is better off temporarily blinded than permantly dead.
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May be useful in cases where the failure to stop is a misunderstanding. It would be nice to avoid the use of justifiable, although unnecessary, lethal force in those cases.

But I am concerned that it may endanger the lives of our troops who delay ventilating a vehicular terrorist bent on blowing up himself and his target whether he can see it or not.
 
Sounds like it has a place there as long as it's backed up by heavy weapons, but otherwise I don't see what the big deal is - it's basically a glorified laser pointer, presumably ruggedized and with a beam expander on the business end.
 
I want one.

Mounted on my trunk, facing rear.

For idjits who drive behind me with their highbeams on.
No kidding. Or the ultra-bright DRL's that GM used to put on some of its cars, that the driver can't turn off.

An SUV's headlights are often right at the level of a car's rearview mirror. Blinding in day or night...
 
The proper place for this new toy is the barrel of an M2HB.

1 second of 'see the pretty lights' followed by 3 seconds of 'I TOLD YOU TO STOP!' :evil:

Really, if by now the Iraqi people don't know to not drive through a checkpoint.. screw the light show.
 
It would have come in handy when I was there - quite often, even frantically waving at high-speed Iraqis coming up on our 6 wouldn't slow them down and get them to keep back. A short burst of fire in front of them was the only way to get their attention - and rounds into the hood/windscreen was the next step (which I didn't have to do too often).

Then again, blinding a driver who's doing 100 wouldn't be much fun, either.
 
benEzra said:
An SUV's headlights are often right at the level of a car's rearview mirror. Blinding in day or night...

So true. Esp if you drive a Toyota Camry.


AndyC said:
Then again, blinding a driver who's doing 100 wouldn't be much fun, either.

That was my first thought as well. My second was in agreement with YellowLab. Why are they putting these on M4s? Most people are carrying around a lot of crap on their weapons already (M68, PAQ-4, light, maybe a 203). Why weigh down a personal weapon with something else? Also, speaking as someone who has worked in a military arms room, stuff on peoples' personal weapons gets broken by the gross.

Also, an M4 is probably going to be slung across someone's chest. Or maybe the guy w/ the nifty laser went to take a leak. An M2 or 240, on the other hand, is going to be set up on a bipod or a tripod. So weight doesn't matter as much. And there is less chance for it to get dropped and broken. It's not going to get taken to the bathroom. It's already pointed AT the checkpoing, so you don't have worry about whether the guy has a shot or not. And, finally, attaching it to a crew-served weapon gives you the option of an immediate, lethal response if the non-lethal option doesn't work out.

That's must me, I guess.
 
Wondering some of the same things myself, though obviously we're not privy to the discussions that went into the planning and deployment of this. I would think a decent-powered spotlight with bullet-resistant lens would be cheaper to deploy.

Afterthought: Of course, part of this might be a test of the system, with a view (pun not intended) to outfitting soldiers with one that in fact can burn retinas.
 
Afterthought: Of course, part of this might be a test of the system, with a view (pun not intended) to outfitting soldiers with one that in fact can burn retinas.
You really wouldn't want a visible laser for that - it gives too much notice of its' use. As I understand it, these are green lasers, which suggest to me that they're frequency-doubled Nd:YAG devices, probably operating at a wavelength of 532nm. (I suppose they COULD be using green laser diodes, but I'd be surprised if power and reliability are up to snuff militarily.)

Without the frequency doubling, Nd:YAG lasers produce light at 1.06 microns wavelength, which is invisible . . . but still transparent to the cornea and lens of the eye. Hence, it will be focussed on the retina and cause damage, without ever actually being "seen."

With a military leadership as driven by PR and PC as we have now, I'd be astonished if they were seriously considering deployment of an "eye popper" . . . that would bring as much international outrage as our use of VX nerve gas or germ warfare.
 
sounds ok for civie use, but to me in war you use something that goes bang. War is not the place for this sort of thing IMO
 
Laser "optical incapacitator"? No kidding? I believe an astronomer used one against some aircraft, a simple handheld green laser pointer and nearly caused a crash.

For stopping vehicles, by incapacitating optics, a $5 red laser with ranges to 600 yards will work.

In the old days, they used non-laser "optical incapacitators" that were called spotlights.
 
We had something similar back in the '90s, looked kind of like a 40mm round for a 203.

Guess this is the new and improved model that takes CR123 batteries and has a throw-lever rail mount...:p
 
I wonder if this is the same device now used in some prisons. I saw this demonstrated on an episode of 'Modern Marvels' on the History Channel. It looked like a large Maglite, and was a very bright, yet eye-safe green laser beam that was shined into the eyes of an inmate. This made it impossible for them to see, and I think may have also disoriented their sense of balance, if I recall correctly.
 
I looked at something like this about a year ago. I think it was called the "Dazzler." At the time I was looking for a bedside flashlight (its just dumb to shoot in the dark) and was suprised to find out they're only available to LEOs/military. Anyone know why this is, and is it still the case? Is it just the company's policy, or a stipulation of government contracts? Whatever the reason, I was disappointed and took it as a backdoor disarmament. Maybe there's a good reason for restricting the sales, if so I'd like to know about it.
 
I looked at something like this about a year ago. I think it was called the "Dazzler."

I'd seen an older product called that, meant as a night self-defense disorienter, but it wasn't a laser. It was pretty much half a dozen pocket-camera flashes in a directed handheld device that would fire randomly and continually to ruin someone's night vision.

Apparently wasn't that effective, since I don't see them anymore.

As for a laser based one, I would think it wouldn't be that hard to put a diffraction grid on the end of one of the $80 high-powered green laser pointers to spread the beam?
 
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