U.S. military will start shoot on sight to prevent future suicide attacks

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U.S. military will start shoot on sight to prevent future suicide attacks in Iraq
Sun Mar 30, 2:28 PM ET

By ALMIN KARAMEHMEDOVIC, Associated Press Writer

NEAR NAJAF, Iraq - Nervous U.S. troops, wary of more guerrilla-style attacks by Iraqis in civilian clothing, warned approaching drivers Sunday they will be shot if they do not leave the area.



After fierce fighting, coalition forces surrounded the Shiite Muslim holy city of Najaf in central Iraq (news - web sites) and were prepared — if so ordered — to go in and root out paramilitary forces whose stiff resistance has delayed the U.S. move on Baghdad.


U.S. forces have shut down all roads in the region north of Najaf — 160 kilometers (100 miles) south of Baghdad — and any driver who approaches a military checkpoint will be shot on sight if they fail to stop or turn around after being warned, said Lt. Col. Scott Rutter, commander of the 2nd Battalion, 7th Infantry Regiment of the 3rd Infantry Division.


"This is a completely new dimension," Rutter said. "It is very difficult to distinguish civilians from possible fighters."


The purpose of the strict new measure is to deter attacks like the one on Saturday, when a taxi exploded at a checkpoint north of Najaf.


The driver was ordered to get out of his car and to open the front and back hoods. The car exploded when the back hood was opened, killing the driver and four soldiers. It was the first known suicide attack since the invasion began.


Meanwhile, tighter security is being imposed to protect soldiers from further attacks. A new sign, in large Arabic letters, warns drivers: "Leave The Area or We Will Fire." Soldiers will shout a final warning to any vehicle that disregards the sign, and then they will open fire.


The U.S. military is serious about enforcement: On Sunday, officers opened fire on two vehicles that failed to stop as they approached the checkpoint. One person was killed.


The U.S. military acknowledges the restriction places a burden on innocent Iraqi civilians, but that soldier safety must come first.


"Because of acts like this, probably you have to restrict that a bit more. It's unfortunate but necessary to ensure the safety of our soldiers," said U.S. Maj. Gen. Buford Blount, commander of the U.S. 3rd Infantry Division.


Iraq's vice president, Taha Yassin Ramadan, indicated the attack was part of a coordinated effort to thwart invaders who can't be defeated by conventional warfare. He also raised the specter of terrorism on U.S. or British soil.


Reports on Iraqi state television called the attack a "blessed beginning," and praised the bomber.


"After he kissed a copy of the Quran, he got into his booby-trapped car and went to an area where enemy armored cars and tanks were gathered on the fringes of Najaf and turned his pure body and explosives-laden car into a rocket and blew himself up," the statement said.


"He wanted to teach the enemy a lesson in the manner used by our Palestinian brothers," the report said.


Saddam is admired by Palestinians in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip (news - web sites), in part because he has doled out more than US$35 million to the families of civilians, gunmen and suicide attackers killed since fighting erupted in Israel some 30 months ago. Families of suicide bombers have received between $10,000 and $25,000 from the Iraqi leader.


At a Gaza City prayer rally held shortly after the U.S.-led assault on Iraq began, the spiritual leader of the Islamic Hamas movement, Sheik Ahmed Yassin, said Iraqi fighters should learn from the examples of Palestinian militants, who have killed hundreds of Israeli civilians in suicide bombings and other attacks in the latest fighting.


Iraqi dissidents and Arab media have claimed that Saddam has opened a training camp for Arab volunteers willing to carry out similar bombings.





The leader of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the guerrilla group which claimed responsibility for a suicide bombing Sunday in Israel, called on Palestinians to join the battle against the United States in Iraq by offering suicide operations. Islamic Jihad's military wing, the Al-Quds Brigades, has said vanguards of "martyrdom seekers" have already arrived in Baghdad.

"Whoever is able to march and reach Iraq, Baghdad, Najaf and blow himself up in this American invasion. ... This is the climax of Jihad and climax of martyrdom," said Abdullah Shallah, leader of Islamic Jihad.

Ramadan said thousands of Arab volunteers have been pouring into Iraq since the start of the war. Abdul-Baqi Saadoun, a Baath Party official in southern Iraq, said fighters were competing to die in suicide attacks.

"We all wish to blow ourselves up by explosive belts or assaults on the Americans, Zionists and the English," he told Arab satellite television channel al-Jazeera in an interview broadcast Sunday. "Every time they advance they are met with courageous, heroic men."
 
We need to dust off the lessons learned in Vietnam about dealing with embedded VC among the civilians.
 
Do not mess with the guys who have tanks, and they will leave you well enough alone. Heck, they'll even feed your family and make sure your country survives, just don't mess with them.
 
is that the ones that survive being shot because their car backfires?
vs.
A new sign, in large Arabic letters, warns drivers: "Leave The Area or We Will Fire." Soldiers will shout a final warning to any vehicle that disregards the sign, and then they will open fire.
C'mon ag...use your head. :rolleyes:
 
The U.S. military is serious about enforcement: On Sunday, officers opened fire on two vehicles that failed to stop as they approached the checkpoint. One person was killed.

Oh, I'm sorry. What part of "Leave The Area or We Will Fire" did you not understand????

GOOD!!!

About time!!!

Just like with those morons who wanted to break into and vandalize Vandenburg, its time to stop the games. (BTW, have there been any incidents reported?)

This is war.

This is real.

Yes kids, even during war, DO NOT PISS OF THE MEN WITH GUNS.

:rolleyes:

is that the ones that survive being shot because their car backfires?

Or they could actually *gasp* obey the sign that says "LEAVE THE AREA OR WE WILL FIRE."

:rolleyes:

They could also get out and walk to the military if they needed to, for whatever reason, though that might get you shot too....

Yeah, ag, how DARE our troops watch out for their safety!


:rolleyes:
 
all,

i) some people do not pay notice to signs, for whatever reason. in the UK the penalty for driving without due care and attention, is points on your licence and a fine. in the US its what.. failing to pay heed to road traffic signals? in Iraq it seems to be that you will get shot at;

ii) in a war of movement people are not going to know where US troops are - people may not understand you are there nor expect you to be there;

iii) are these signs in Arabic or English? are the people shouting the warning going to be shouting in Arabic or English?

iv) given that there have been more attacks in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, will you be doing that there as well? Why arent British forces implementing this stop-or-shoot policy?

v) what happens to the people who actually live in the area that you have excluded them from?
 
Ag,
some people do not pay notice to signs, for whatever reason. in the UK the penalty for driving without due care and attention, is points on your licence and a fine. in the US its what.. failing to pay heed to road traffic signals? in Iraq it seems to be that you will get shot at;
Not paying attention to a "DO NOT ENTER" or "WRONG WAY" sign 'round here often means a head on collision with another party which can result in death. Is similar, no? Sometimes ignoring signs is a death penalty and not just on the battlefield.
in a war of movement people are not going to know where US troops are - people may not understand you are there nor expect you to be there;
Sometimes it benefits you to pay attention to falling bombs and sporadic gunfire and signs saying "STOP OR YOU WILL BE BLOWN TO ALLAH", eh?
are these signs in Arabic or English? are the people shouting the warning going to be shouting in Arabic or English?
From the article:
Meanwhile, tighter security is being imposed to protect soldiers from further attacks. A new sign, in large Arabic letters, warns drivers: "Leave The Area or We Will Fire." Soldiers will shout a final warning to any vehicle that disregards the sign, and then they will open fire.
Doesn't matter to me what language soldiers are yelling in, if they're pointing guns at me and yelling I'm going to - at the very least - turn around in search of new underwear.
given that there have been more attacks in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, will you be doing that there as well?
Don't know. Probably not, as it is a policy better suited to a warzone wherein the soldiers are the new enforcers of the law than in a seperate country with their own rules and laws and the soldiers are mere guests of the nation.
Why arent British forces implementing this stop-or-shoot policy?
Good question.
what happens to the people who actually live in the area that you have excluded them from?
Not sure. In fact, I'm not even sure what areas are being made off-limits.

Still ... when in doubt, assume the worst about the Yanks, right?
 
Just today we fired on a van that refused to stop, even after warning shots, and killed 7 Iraqi women and children.
Someone will probably post the story. This should get the message across, and unfortunate events like this should end up saving lives. DON'T RUN ROADBLOCKS! Now they know that terrorist acts like one martyr killing 4 soldiers will cost them more than it costs us, just like the treachery and perfidy of their false surrenders.
 
Just today we fired on a van that refused to stop, even after warning shots, and killed 7 Iraqi women and children.

As horrible as that incident is, WHAT MORE ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO???

Name even ONE other country that would do as we did and dropped millions of flyers on Iraqi soldiers AND civilians telling them, among other things:

-Do not use radar or otherwise target or track coalition planes or you WILL be destroyed

-Do not fire upon coalition planes or you WILL be destroyed

-Surrender

-People of Iraq: We have no dispute with you. Our fight is against Saddam. (Or something to that effect)

WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO???

Before the bleating of sheep starts here, how DARE we look out for OUR troops safety.... :rolleyes:

You can lead a horse to water....
 
Quite frankly, who cares, so long as the new policy saves American lives?
I for one, don't really care about freeing the Iraqi people, only about killing off people who want to kill Americans.
We didn't exactly worry about killing enemy civilians when we firebombed Tokyo or Dresden, and I'm not particularly concerned with them now, either.
Read Dick Morris' article in the NY Post (March 31).
 
Agricola, that statement is beneath you. Don't try desperate arguments with this issue.

If we truly had no concern over Iraqi civilian deaths this war would have been over last week.

BTW, the signs are in Arabic. And, while I don't know if the troops are saying "turn around" in Arabic, the presence of a group of soldiers pointing weapons and screaming has a universal meaning for most, as in "get the heck out of here!"
 
Iraqi dissidents and Arab media have claimed that Saddam has opened a training camp for Arab volunteers willing to carry out similar bombings.
Hopefully, they'll have to pass a final exam to reach "martyrdom" status. :evil: :neener:
 
You know, if we say that Iraqi people approaching US/British/Australian checkpoints should remove all clothing, and approach the checkpoints, on foot, and naked, maybe Bill Clinton will volunteer to go to Iraq. :D
 
Agricola,

check mirror. Remove plank from eye before pointing out sliver in other person's eye. Repeat as needed.
 
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