Lead Tainted Venison Not Fit For a Food Shelf

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That's right. The same venison you and I have been eating and feeding to our children for generations is now unsafe for starving people to eat.
http://www.in-forum.com/ap/index.cfm?page=view&id=D8VMPK080
Hunting groups disputing warnings of lead in venison
By JAMES MacPHERSON Associated Press Writer
The Associated Press - Saturday, March 29, 2008

BISMARCK, N.D.

Other states have joined North Dakota's warning that thousands of pounds of venison given to food pantries could be contaminated by lead from bullets. Hunting groups are calling it an overreaction.

"It's alarmist and not supported by any science," said Lawrence Keane, a vice president and lawyer for the Newton, Conn.-based National Shooting Sports Foundation, a trade association for the firearms and ammunition industry. "High quality protein is now taken out of the mouths of needy, hungry people."

North Dakota health officials on Wednesday told food pantries in the state to throw out donated venison, saying it may have lead fragments. Officials in Minnesota and Iowa followed with similar alerts, asking that venison in those states not be distributed.

Gov. John Hoeven said the alerts were issued as a precaution. He said the state has a "tremendous working relationship" with hunters, and the questions raised about ground venison are new.

"They're looking at it and operating out of safety," Hoeven said of health officials. "Along with the state Agriculture Department and the Game and Fish Department, they will be doing studies and evaluations over the course of the next year, so they can put guidelines out for the next hunting season."

Safari Club International's Sportsmen Against Hunger program donated 317,000 pounds of venison last year to the needy, said Doug Burdin, a lawyer for the Tucson, Ariz.-based group. The meat donated by hunters was enough for more than 1.2 million meals, he said.

SCI began the Sportsmen Against Hunger program 18 years ago.

"It's provided a lot of free meals to a lot of people," Burdin said. "Hunters are doing something they love and helping others at the same time. This is disheartening, and we certainly don't think this program should come to an end on the unscientific assessment that has occurred here."

Dr. William Cornatzer, a Bismarck physician and hunter, alerted health officials after he conducted his own tests on venison using a CT scanner and found lead in 60 percent of 100 samples. The North Dakota Health Department confirmed the results on at least five samples of venison destined for food pantries.

"This isn't just a food pantry problem. This is a nationwide problem," Cornatzer said Friday.

Hunters have alternatives to lead, he said.

"I'm a big hunter. I've already purchased four boxes of copper bullets to next year," Cornatzer said.

Cornatzer said he worried about the potential for lead fragments in venison after seeing a report by The Peregrine Fund of Boise, Idaho. He said the nonprofit group, of which he is a board member, studied the effects on birds that ingested bullet fragments left behind in deer carcasses.

"Condors are really acting as a sentinel for what could be happening in humans," said Rick Watson, a vice president of The Peregrine Fund.

"We do know what happens to condors, and there is enough concern to warrant a study that humans could be affected," he said.

Watson said The Peregrine Fund conducted tests over a dozen years on the effects of condors that ingested lead from deer carcasses. He said members of his group shot deer and studied how bullets fragmented beyond the initial wound.

"Lead bullets fragment into tiny, tiny pieces, some of which are visible and some are not," Watson said.

The group plans to release findings in May from a study on lead fragments in deer meat, he said.

Keane, of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, said he did not know of any similar studies by ammunition or firearms makers.

Justin Moore, a spokesman for ammunition maker Nosler, Inc. of Bend, Ore., said his company began offering non-lead bullets last year, but not because of lead issues.

"Many companies have been doing it for quite a while," Moore said. "We saw potential in that market and developed a bullet."

Moore said his 60-year-old company had never researched microscopic bullet fragmentation. "We know the approximate percentage of the retained weight of the bullet, but we haven't actually studied the loss of lead inside the animal," he said.

The North Dakota Community Action Partnership distributed 17,000 pounds of venison from 381 donated deer after last year's hunting season, a number that has tripled since the program began in North Dakota in 2004, executive director Ann Pollert said. At least 4,000 pounds of venison were in food pantries in the state when the health department issued its warning, she said.

The state has about 45 food pantries, and surveys have shown a need for more than 70,000 pounds of venison annually, Poller said. She hopes people will donate other types of meat.

"Meat is so expensive," she said. "This is going to have an impact - it's a quality, lean meat protein source that we're losing."

Jason Foss, president of Minot-based Pheasants for the Future, said hunters from his group donated about 100 deer this year to the program.

Foss said the group pays up to $70 per deer for processing. Money for the program comes from donations and the sale of deer hides.

Foss believes the issue of lead-contaminated meat is "a little extreme at this point."

"Sportsmen have been shooting deer for hundreds of years with lead bullets with no problems," he said. "I hope this program keeps rolling along because so much good comes out of it."

How lead fragments can get into 60% of the samples is an unexplained phenomenon. Dr. Cornatzer is described as a "Dermatologist, Falconer, and Conservationist" according to the Perigrine Fund website. I'm curious as to why a dermatologist has ready access to a CT scanner to run venison through but hey, I'm not a dermatologist.
 
Well I guess I'm skrewed then... I've been eating diffrent game animals since I was a child, almost all of them shot with lead based projectiles.
 
And my question is, who's behind this? Anti-hunting groups, or the Beef industry. Because, very few people actually give a rat's ass about the lead content of their food if they're starving. And the dietary habits of the homeless haven't been much of an issue before. Not that I can remember.

So this reeks of someone's political agenda. Which points me either to the beef industry, or anti-hunting groups.
 
Having bitten down into fried squirrel meat more than once to find a lead pellet in it, I don't seem to have developed brain defects.

Yet.

jm
 
How lead fragments can get into 60% of the samples is an unexplained phenomenon. Dr. Cornatzer is described as a "Dermatologist, Falconer, and Conservationist" according to the Perigrine Fund website. I'm curious as to why a dermatologist has ready access to a CT scanner to run venison through but hey, I'm not a dermatologist.

Something is wrong with this story. Maybe a little bovine excrement!!:confused:
 
Why not start by studying the blood lead levels of people that eat venison, excluding reloaders and bullet casters? It's not really important if there's lead in the meat if it has no measurable effect on the health of the consumers. When they say 60% of the samples were contaminated, I wonder how big a "sample" was, cause you can fit at least a few deer in a CT scanner.

Also, that's a lot of $ for CT scans. Wonder why an X-ray series wouldn't catch the same bits at a small fraction of the cost.

I'm not particularly happy about Nosler jumping in on this either, and a lot of guys here were warning about this sort of thing when Nosler announced the E-Tip.
 
It was my understanding that it caused more harm to birds due to the fact that they have a gullet, which either retains the lead for quite some time or crushes it up quite a bit.

I can't say that I have seen many lead fragments in my deer meat. There's so much meat there, that it's pretty easy cut around the bullet track or just throw away the affected meat. As far as big game bullets are concerned, I think you'd be more likely to encounter a piece of the copper jacket than a lead fragment.
 
This seems to be the trend nowadays. I saw a report on the local news that they were throwing 120 tons of the recalled beef from California in the local landfill this weekend. Not because there was something wrong with it but because there could be something wrong with it. I think we're seeing a new M.O. by the anti's here.
 
"Having bitten down into fried squirrel meat more than once to find a lead pellet in it, I don't seem to have developed brain defects.""

Bingo!!!. Hard to tell how many shotgun pellets I have swallowed over six decades of eating squirrel, birds and rabbits. Just passed my annual OSHA physical. My
blood pressure is 115/70. Not bad for age 69. Maybe that lead helped me.
 
I wonder if any of the thousands of fish I've frozen had lead splitshot in them?

Oh well, I'll go back to worrying about all the lead paint chips I ate as a kid. Urp.

John
 
Oh, Lord. Once again, it is proven: you can dress up ugly but you cannot fix stupid.
:banghead::banghead::banghead:

Springmom
 
Sounds like they scanned the gut-pile & the hole trimmings!

rcmodel

I know you were probably being sarcastic, but this is probably exactly what they did.

I know it sounds funny, but we had this exact same problem with Great Lakes salmon. They were saying the mercury levels were too high to be fit to eat. Someone actually looked at how they were doing the measurements and they were taking a whole salmon, grinding it into a liquid, putting it into a centrifuge, spinning out the mercury and then measuring that amount. It was extremely high.

But we don't eat the whole salmon. It was noted that 99% of the mercury collected in the fish's brain and liver, parts we don't eat.

Once they put a salmon filet through the test they found the levels to be well below harmful.
 
I always wonder how thses things can even become issues.
I would be more likely to be concerned with antibiotics, hormones, etc in commercially raised meat than lead in my wild game.
However, I have 100% weight retention in my broadheads...
 
I have eaten plenty of lead killed deer (and other critters)...I'm still here.
But there are better bullets out there than any bullet containing lead...Barnes TSX bullets are worth every penny.

And a little copper is considered good for you.
 
Reasons given to justify implementing a political agenda don't have to make sense, it just has to sound good. The people responsible for this idiocy don't want you shooting Bambi... it has nothing to do with lead. Were we to discover a new material that was less expensive and functioned as well as lead, they'd find an excuse to ban it, as well.

Don't some beef processing facilities still use .22's?

The keyword in "Gun Control" is "Control", not "Gun"
 
Reasons given to justify implementing a political agenda don't have to make sense, it just has to sound good. The people responsible for this idiocy don't want you shooting Bambi... it has nothing to do with lead. Were we to discover a new material that was less expensive and functioned as well as lead, they'd find an excuse to ban it, as well.

Very good post. It is not about lead in donated deer meat. It is about the antis and their putrid agenda.
 
As soon as people start making a living off something, they'll do anything to expand their money and power.

The money spent to "save the Condor", it's being paid to people. These people, like anyone else who is doing something the market does not demand, are dangerous.
 
I have the same feelings on this as I do on a lot of the big cancer scares you read about.
They do a study on a substance. They feed that substance to a lab rat. They give said rat 100 times the amount of that substance that any human would ingest in a lifetime, and then proclaim it causes cancer when the rat gets sick.

It's all a matter of agenda.

Now if you'll excuse me, I've got this little piece of lead shot in my teeth and it's drivin me nuts.....;)
 
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