Lee Factory Crimp Die Help

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I just started loading 45-70 for my Rio Grande. I have a FCD with my Lee Die set but cannot figure out how to make it work! It's not like the FCDin my .38/.357 set. It has No knob on top to adjust it. I followed the directions but couldn't get ANY crimp at all . Finally gave up and used the bullet seating die to crimp.<br />What am I doing wrong?

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The rifle factory crimp dies are adjusted by running the die up and down. Just follow the directing that came with it. It applies a very slight taper crimp thus you won't see a dramatic crimp.

Lee says: screw die in until it contacts the shellholder then 1/2 turn more. adjust from there. http://leeprecision.com/cgi-data/instruct/SE3180.pdf
 
I just started loading 45-70 for my Rio Grande. I have a FCD with my Lee Die set but cannot figure out how to make it work! It's not like the FCDin my .38/.357 set. It has No knob on top to adjust it. I followed the directions but couldn't get ANY crimp at all . Finally gave up and used the bullet seating die to crimp.<br />What am I doing wrong?

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Possibly you aren't doing anything wrong. The Lee FCD in 45-70 works best when all the cases are the same length. Additionally all the cases need to be long enough. The die collet needs to be able to crimp the end of the case at the bullet cannelure if the bullet has one. So using this die the case length is important.

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Make sure you aren't reloading using lever evolution brass. It is too short to be touched by the lee factory crimp die.

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Make sure you aren't reloading using lever evolution brass. It is too short to be touched by the lee factory crimp die.

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Real good example of the brass being too short for use with the Lee FCD. :)

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The 45-70 is a straight wall case and I'm guessing without seeing the die that it is the same type as used on bottle neck rifle cases. If this is so then the following is how the die works.

If it has no knob it will crimp using the collets in the die when the bottom of the die meets the shell holder. The sleeve that the shell holder pushes up closes the collets which squeeze the case mouth in, making the crimp.
 
They say one picture is worth....

Pictured below is a Lee FCD (Factory Crimp Die) which is fully disassembled. As can be seen there isn't much to these dies. Left to Right is the locking nut, the die body, the die collet and a 45-70 cartridge loaded with a 405 grain soft point bullet.

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When assembled with the collet in the die body, the collet will extend below the bottom of the die body and will have about .125" free travel. That .125" is free play before the die engages a gradual step step in the die body. Holding the assembled die upright the collet can be bumped with a finger and the free travel observed.

The following image shows the cartridge inserted into the collet. The cartridge can only go so far till the cartridge rim stops it.

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Note where the brass tops out at the collet. There is no adjustment to a die like this. When the die is placed n the press the ram is run up full stroke and the die is screwed down till the collet bumps the shell holder and the free travel is taken up. The ram is lowered and the die given another 1/4 turn. That 1/4 turn is only for the cam over of the press. You are not really changing anything as to where the collet will squeeze on the case mouth. However, if the case is too short, as can be seen, nothing will happen.

This is the major problem with dies using this design. They rely on the length of the brass and the brass, assuming long enough, must be uniform from case to case in length. If the brass is too short, even by a few thousandths you get zero crimp.

Note: My bad in that I did not include a shell holder which may have made things look better. However, I am sure you get the idea of how this animal works. :)

Ron
 
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The LFCD for rifles (collet style) can also get stuck if you raise the ram without a case in it or if you apply to much pressure. It will then crush you case neck (if there is one). I polished mine on a lathe to get the milling marks off as suggested by the knowledgeable folks here.:)
 
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