Legalized Cat Hunting?

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Have ya'll seen this?

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MADISON, Wis. - Feline lovers holding pictures of cats, clutching stuffed animals and wearing whiskers faced-off against hundreds of hunters at meetings around Wisconsin to voice their opinion on whether to legalize cat hunting.

Residents in 72 counties were asked whether free-roaming cats — including any domestic cat that isn't under the owner's direct control or any cat without a collar — should be listed as an unprotected species. If listed as so, the cats could be hunted.

The proposal was one of several dozen included in a spring vote on hunting and fishing issues held by the Wisconsin Conservation Congress. The results, only advisory, get forwarded to the state Natural Resources Board.

Statewide results were expected Tuesday.

La Crosse firefighter Mark Smith, 48, helped spearhead the cat-hunting proposal. He wants Wisconsin to declare free-roaming wild cats an unprotected species, just like skunks or gophers. Anyone with a small-game license could shoot the cats at will.

At least two other upper Midwestern states, South Dakota and Minnesota, allow wild cats to be shot — and have for decades. Minnesota defines a wild, or feral, cat as one with no collar that does not show friendly behavior, said Kevin Kyle with that state's Department of Natural Resources.

Every year in Wisconsin alone, an estimated 2 million wild cats kill 47 million to 139 million songbirds, according to state officials. Despite the astounding numbers, Smith's plan has been met with fierce opposition from cat lovers.

Critics of Smith's idea organized Wisconsin Cat-Action Team and developed a Web site — dontshootthecat.com. Some argue it is better to trap wild cats, spay or neuter them, before releasing them.

In Madison, about 1,200 people attended the Monday evening meeting at the Alliant Center — more than the 250 or so in a typical year, but less than the 3,000 or so who took part in a debate in 2000 over whether to allow hunters to shoot mourning doves.

One of the attendees was Katy Francis, who wore cat ears, whiskers, a cat nose and a sign that read, "Too Cute to Kill." For Francis, "The cat hunting thing brought me out because it was very extreme."

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Meow!
 
BOOOOO!

I'm a hunter but I love cats. No point in shooting them other than population control, disease prevention ... and maybe fur. I'm told the meat is pretty awful.

I guess there is a dividing line with domesticated animals.

If people want to go to the added trouble of trapping, spaying, neutering, and vaccinating wild cats, I'd say let them give it a shot. Awful lot of work, though.

This would get the same reaction if it were about shooting feral dogs, I suppose.

I'm under the impression that most hunters don't like cats. Fooey.
 
But...

If people want to go to the added trouble of trapping, spaying, neutering, and vaccinating wild cats, I'd say let them give it a shot. Awful lot of work, though.

Yeah, but they want you and I, in the form of our tax dollars, to pay for it! So...let people pick them off as they see them.

For me, the misleading term is 'Cat Hunting'. They really should call it Cat Extermination. Or Song Bird Salvation.

I mean, is this really something guys are going to set up stands and bait for, like they would other forms of Hunting?

For the record, I am a cat owner, and I enjoy my cat. I just moved to a new house though, in an area that kind of crosses the line between suburban and rural. One of my neighbors just keeps a big bowl of cat food outside, feeding whichever cats want to eat. This means I have between 5 and 7 cats which raom freely through my yard on the way to the free vitals.

I recently purchased a box of Augila Super Colibri's, and another box of CB caps, to see which ones my Mk II like better. I haven't shot any yet...but each time I find my trash can knocked over, and trash strewn about my drive way, it gets more and more tempting.

greg
 
If people want to go to the added trouble of trapping, spaying, neutering, and vaccinating wild cats, I'd say let them give it a shot. Awful lot of work, though.
This doesn't really solve the problem. The cat will still kill birds - including phesants and ducks, go through the trash and cause all the other problems they normally do.
 
Know what's funny? There is this big legal thing going on in Wisconsin concerning this, when most people don't know that it's probably already a law in your own State to do so, like here in Minnesota...
 
When I hunted in Germany all cats outside the city limits were fair game. They prey on rabbits and game birds, not to mention the song bird population. Dogs that were off leashes or not under voice command had the same fate waiting them. You hardly see strays in Germany because of this. (Except in town)
 
"I mean, is this really something guys are going to set up stands and bait for, like they would other forms of Hunting?"

I used to do that for ferral dogs all the time in Texas. We would go get cheap bags of dog food, tear em open down in the bottom of a gully and sit up on ridges and pick em off as they came in.

Before somone bites my head off, there wee huge problems around El Paso with huge packs of wild dogs.

I would do the same with cats.
 
30cal, you wrote,
I'm a hunter but I love cats. No point in shooting them other than population control, disease prevention ... and maybe fur. I'm told the meat is pretty awful.
Population control and disease reduction are both valid reasons already. Either would be sufficient.

I'm a hunter, AND I think that pet cats are just great.

Feral cats are an entirely different situation. From the article,
(La Crosse firefighter Mark) Smith's plan has been met with fierce opposition from cat lovers.
All or most of 'em city dwellers. Out here in the country (25 miles from La Crosse), we see the sick, starving, abandoned cats that they take out here and release to die because they haven't the stomach to deal with (a) the kittens from their unspayed pets or (b) adorable birthday kitties that grew into gotta-be-fed-(etc)-every-day cats. There are now wild populations of feral cats, which make for tremendous reservoirs for rabies, Feline Leukemia and the like.

Everybody around here has adopted a few of those that showed up, over the years. My mother's most recent cat hung around the house for a few months, and she took him in when 25-below-zero temps were predicted. When she brought him inside, she found that he'd been neutered and his front claws had been removed (not clipped, not trimmed; surgically removed), and he immediately adopted normal house-cat behavior. Knew what a litter box was, and so forth. And somebody had taken him out to the country and dumped him. :fire:

They were probably singing "Booorn Freeeeee" as they pushed him out of the car, imagining him happily chasing mice through the woods, and maybe getting drinks of milk from a kindly old farmer who'd find him.

That's not how the world works, for the other 99 per cent of the abandoned ones. It isn't happy and relaxed for those that survive, and starvation is a nasty, ugly death.
 
I've had to deal with other folk's drop offs several times. I love cats and dogs both. I even tried to find homes for the first few that were dropped off. We're talking critters dropped off by the litter full.

Now, if I see them out there where they do not belong, it's not a question anymore and there are no tears shed. Next stop- Happy Hunting Ground.

BTW, there's nothing illegal about baiting feral animals in Texas (El Paso). Get 'em!
 
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The problem with this entire situation is that the cat lovers and people opposing so called "cat hunting" have never been in contact with a feral cat. They're picturing someone shooting "Fluffy" their pet.

When I was still living up north with my folks, we had 3 or 4 outside cats all of the time. These cats hung around because they were fed (also cut down on the rodents). One day, one female cat who we called "Mama Kitty" came out of the shed with all seven of here young following her in a hurry. I knew something was wrong.

Went out to the shed to investigate and found a nasty feral tomcat eating their food. He backed into the corner hissing, growling showing teeth and what not. The mother cat moved her young because he would have killed them for sure.

This was no wandering farm cat. Pure wild animal. I also noticed how dirty he was (sure sign of sickness is a dirty cat). Well, to keep from rambling on, I put him out of his and my misery. I know, I am a monster.



--meathammer
 
The coyote word for a feral cat is "Supper." If the cat is on the smallish side, the same holds for the Great Horned owl. :)

A buddy of mine had a mountain lion come into his yard in daylight and grab Pet Putty.

We're not alone in our efforts to deal with feral cats.

Art
 
"Feral" cats and "pet" cats are not the same animal... That misconception is what gets a lot of people on the wrong side of this issue.

Feral cats are destructive, dirty, and dangerous. They ALL need to be destroyed.
 
I'd read the article, but I went over and checked AOL's News chat on the topic. I admit it -- I should have shown better judgment. Ignorance can hurt me: I was unprepared for the ugly, childish brawl that's going on there.

New people show up with "cat haters" this and "hunters" that, and "they're all men who want to feel better about themselves and have to kill a defenseless animal." Along with those, there are usually one or two posting at a given time about what the real situation is with feral cats. Some progress is made, and then a new crowd of screamers comes in.

After one - what shall I call this individual - well, after one individual had advocated shooting the La Crosse firefighter who was mentioned in the article as supporting the proposal, I reported the post and got out.

I had to come back home to THR to let my blood pressure come back down. The pounding in my head is starting to subside.

I think I'll duck over to APS for five minutes and re-read Preacherman's "Unitarian Jihad" thread. Peace Out, y'all.

--Brother Howitzer of Desirable Mindfulness
 
Feral cats carry disease, and were shot on sight for a time in Texas.
Can you say bubonic plague? Yep...a scary situation they had on their hands.

They are a non-native species and should be dealt with as such...in my opinion. :rolleyes:

There is a POLL on this topic Online:
RIGHT HERE
 
First of all, my two cats are my family, they never leave my house, except on a leash, and I would kill to defend them just as I woudl my wife.

But feral cats are another thing ENTIRELY. There are reasons in this world to shoot animals, even pets. Feral animals carry disease, which can be transferred to both humans and housepets. They also tend to get into trash left outdoors. Finally, these animals are often not nice to humans. I've put down dogs before that were purchased as hunting dogs, but simply could not be acclimated to people. After a year of growling, he bit at my young sister. The next day, my dad's AR came out when no one was home, and no one was the wiser.

Most city people just don't realize the trouble these "domesticated" animals can cause. They're either feral, and dangerous to both humans and pets, or they are runaways or throwaways, without the skills required to live outdoors on their own. Its much crueler for someone to leave a cat in the wild that has been declawed than it is for me to shoot it. Mine is simply a more humane end.
 
Yep they play havoc with the critter. But then again I am all for killing every coon, fox and skunk you see too. These beasts ravage the waterfowl populations terribly.

I own cats, dogs, and even rabbits. I don't let my critters run wild or breeed in an uncontrolled fashion.
 
They're picturing someone shooting "Fluffy" their pet.

yup. The thing is, they'd be singing a different tune if Fluffy ran into a ferral cat and happened to get torn to pieces or one of the delightful little diseases that they carry. People that are complaining about this are completely ignorant of reality, as evidenced by their screeching about someone shooting their domestic cat.

for the record, I had to have my 15 year old cat put to sleep this past October because he had cancer. I plan to get another cat(s) in the future, but it will not leave my house.
 
Aw, now, Bear Gulch, don't forget snapping turtles, water moccasins and gators. :)

Come to think of it, there's a feral cat south of my house, on Cigar Mountain. She weighs around eighty pounds...

:D, Art
 
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