It is legal in all 50 states to live trap and exterminate feral cats?
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This thread is borderline enough without dragging homosexuality into it. I can't even figure out how that got into a thread about feral cats, and I'm sure as heck not going to go back and investigate, for fear of what I might find. *sigh*
It's gotta be the absolute worst case of thread-jacking I've ever seen, after more than a decade online. That's quite an accomplishment.
You guys want to argue over the rightness or wrongness of someone else's brand of sexuality, don't do it anywhere on THR. See the Forum Rules.
pax
PS Yes, I deleted a few posts (not all related to homosexuality, either). If yours was one of them and you truly can't figure out why, feel free to drop me a PM and ask.
It's gotta be the absolute worst case of thread-jacking I've ever seen, after more than a decade online. That's quite an accomplishment.
You guys want to argue over the rightness or wrongness of someone else's brand of sexuality, don't do it anywhere on THR. See the Forum Rules.
pax
PS Yes, I deleted a few posts (not all related to homosexuality, either). If yours was one of them and you truly can't figure out why, feel free to drop me a PM and ask.
brerrabbit
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To all the folks trying to blame folks in the country for zapping feral pets as a thinly veiled methods of getting jollies.
I do not get my jollies on getting rid of strays. I do not boast about it to my friends, I do not gut shoot them to extend the play time with them etc. It is a necessary part of of life out here in the boonies due to idiots that cannot manage the animals they got for amusement and could not handle. Or on OP, kittens that they did not socialize and were allowed to grow up and run away.
I think about killing strays about as much as I do vehicle mantenance. I do not look foward to doing it but I see it as needed if I wish to continue my lifestyle as a farmer/manual laborer. I think about as much of killing one of your pets that you have allowed to roam as I do changing the oil in my truck. Let an animal that you have dropped off kill one of my animals or livestock, if I find you, I will make your life as miserable as I can through the courts.
I have a 7 year old cat and a 2 year old cat that are both stays. They are both semi feral but very loving and they keep my rodent population down around the house. The wild blood in them give them enough smarts to stay away from the predators around here. I have gone through a lot of city cats that did not know how to stay away from predators or how to hunt. I currently have one boxer mix that someone dropped off, I am not sure, but based on his attention span and trainability, the guy that dropped him off was an idiot.
I do not get my jollies on getting rid of strays. I do not boast about it to my friends, I do not gut shoot them to extend the play time with them etc. It is a necessary part of of life out here in the boonies due to idiots that cannot manage the animals they got for amusement and could not handle. Or on OP, kittens that they did not socialize and were allowed to grow up and run away.
I think about killing strays about as much as I do vehicle mantenance. I do not look foward to doing it but I see it as needed if I wish to continue my lifestyle as a farmer/manual laborer. I think about as much of killing one of your pets that you have allowed to roam as I do changing the oil in my truck. Let an animal that you have dropped off kill one of my animals or livestock, if I find you, I will make your life as miserable as I can through the courts.
I have a 7 year old cat and a 2 year old cat that are both stays. They are both semi feral but very loving and they keep my rodent population down around the house. The wild blood in them give them enough smarts to stay away from the predators around here. I have gone through a lot of city cats that did not know how to stay away from predators or how to hunt. I currently have one boxer mix that someone dropped off, I am not sure, but based on his attention span and trainability, the guy that dropped him off was an idiot.
ebd10
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This one gets my vote for most ridiculous post.
That said, feral cats are not just pests, they are a health hazard to domestic pets. They do not belong in nature, they need to be exterminated along with nutria, zebra mussels, and starlings.
Art Eatman
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Anybody who thinks feral cats aren't any particular problem has spent very little time outdoors. Hasn't read much from wildlife biologists or talked to animal-shelter folks. The Wisconsin study is valid. There are other, similar studies with similar conclusions. Bottom line? Basically, the only good feral cat is a dead feral cat.
Feral cats are incredibly destructive to smaller forms of native wildlife. They will kill for pleasure as well as for food, as you can tell when you find an entire covey of quail, dead, and some feathered remains from the only one that was eaten. The cat will attack at night, biting the head and holding the bird to prevent flopping--and then "repeat as necessary". If there is any notable local population of feral cats, there will be few songbirds around, and few squirrels or cottontail rabbits.
I've passed up shots at deer in order to kill a feral cat. No regrets, either. A feral cat is one of the very few things I'd kill with no compunction whatsoever.
Art
Feral cats are incredibly destructive to smaller forms of native wildlife. They will kill for pleasure as well as for food, as you can tell when you find an entire covey of quail, dead, and some feathered remains from the only one that was eaten. The cat will attack at night, biting the head and holding the bird to prevent flopping--and then "repeat as necessary". If there is any notable local population of feral cats, there will be few songbirds around, and few squirrels or cottontail rabbits.
I've passed up shots at deer in order to kill a feral cat. No regrets, either. A feral cat is one of the very few things I'd kill with no compunction whatsoever.
Art
Read my post and you will understand why I hate people who feed ferel cats:
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=220235&highlight=emergency+room
Doc2005
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=220235&highlight=emergency+room
Doc2005
wacki
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Doc2005, can you explain this?
http://thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=2682359&postcount=33
Also your PM box is turned off.
http://thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=2682359&postcount=33
Also your PM box is turned off.
Steak
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This sounds like making up an excuse to kill people's pets. My daughters cat, kills rats (a good thing) and has no collar. It is her pet. I am no fan of cats, they have no loyalty. But, if you kill my daughters cat, I will kill your dog, your chickens, and whatever other animal you have. Some people keep lizards and snakes as pets. Worthless, stupid animals. I will kill them too. Sounds like fun! You guys just want to kill things for little reason other than bloodlust. I have a question, do you eat those cats too?
And biker, cats don't understand property lines. Your dog might not either, can I kill your dog if it leaves the yard? Even if it is not harming me?
And biker, cats don't understand property lines. Your dog might not either, can I kill your dog if it leaves the yard? Even if it is not harming me?
Jamie C.
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I don't know about the rest of the world, but Tennessee has a leash law... and it applies to both cats and dogs.
For most rural counties, that law is enforced with a gun, as a rule. It was here, where I am, until the county finally got an animal shelter/animal control facility built. But still, even for that, problem animals are generally dealt with by individual property owners. ( There are more feral animals here than Animal Control has staff or room to cope with. )
Oh and one last thing... to anybody carrying on about what happens to your pet when it's left outside on it's own, without being in a fence or on a leash; keep the damned thing up, if you value it so much.
Also, have your pet spayed or neutered. Then there won't be near so many feral animals causing problems, and requiring other folks to have to put them down.
I've had to shoot several ferals, over the years... and I really hate doing it. I'd much rather get my hands on their worthless owners ( or the owners of the animals that caused them to be born ), since those are the real source of the problem.
The bottom line is that your pet's health, welfare, and general well-being are YOUR responsibility. Don't put it off on the rest of the world.
J.C.
For most rural counties, that law is enforced with a gun, as a rule. It was here, where I am, until the county finally got an animal shelter/animal control facility built. But still, even for that, problem animals are generally dealt with by individual property owners. ( There are more feral animals here than Animal Control has staff or room to cope with. )
Oh and one last thing... to anybody carrying on about what happens to your pet when it's left outside on it's own, without being in a fence or on a leash; keep the damned thing up, if you value it so much.
Also, have your pet spayed or neutered. Then there won't be near so many feral animals causing problems, and requiring other folks to have to put them down.
I've had to shoot several ferals, over the years... and I really hate doing it. I'd much rather get my hands on their worthless owners ( or the owners of the animals that caused them to be born ), since those are the real source of the problem.
The bottom line is that your pet's health, welfare, and general well-being are YOUR responsibility. Don't put it off on the rest of the world.
J.C.
brerrabbit
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Steak
I love the typical reaction about shooting animals that you have. Guilt? Are you one of the folks that feels their animals have the right to run free without regard to other peoples property lines?
I really doubt if you are willing to start a feud , one that will result in you going to jail and your property sold to compensate the livestock owner, over an animal that you did not care enough for to keep under control in the first place.
The onus is on you, the pet owner to keep your animal controlled. My method of controlling your pet is a bit more severe than yours.
I understand that cats do not understand property lines, I generally do not zap pets. but considering the nearest house to mine is about a mile away and they do not keep cats. Pretty much any cat I see that is not one of mine can be considered feral.
Since no one has pointed it out before, if any of you are going to dump an animal in the countryside, at least have the decency to remove the collar from the animal. It makes targeting the animal a bit easier because the locals all have a collar on their animals. It also prevents a pretty gruesome death if your animal goes wild and grows out of the collar enough to strangle.
I love the typical reaction about shooting animals that you have. Guilt? Are you one of the folks that feels their animals have the right to run free without regard to other peoples property lines?
I really doubt if you are willing to start a feud , one that will result in you going to jail and your property sold to compensate the livestock owner, over an animal that you did not care enough for to keep under control in the first place.
The onus is on you, the pet owner to keep your animal controlled. My method of controlling your pet is a bit more severe than yours.
I understand that cats do not understand property lines, I generally do not zap pets. but considering the nearest house to mine is about a mile away and they do not keep cats. Pretty much any cat I see that is not one of mine can be considered feral.
Since no one has pointed it out before, if any of you are going to dump an animal in the countryside, at least have the decency to remove the collar from the animal. It makes targeting the animal a bit easier because the locals all have a collar on their animals. It also prevents a pretty gruesome death if your animal goes wild and grows out of the collar enough to strangle.
Steak...
Note that I don't kill cats, I trap them and turn them over to animal control.
Fact is, my dog is contained in a large fenced yard and while cats don't understand property lines, cat owners do. Therefore, be responsible and keep your cat locked up and it won't end up taking the big gas nap.
Sound fair?
Biker
Note that I don't kill cats, I trap them and turn them over to animal control.
Fact is, my dog is contained in a large fenced yard and while cats don't understand property lines, cat owners do. Therefore, be responsible and keep your cat locked up and it won't end up taking the big gas nap.
Sound fair?
Biker
Dravur
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Woohoooo....
More furry critters with which to use my varmint guns...
ok, things to get....
pans of Lasagna....
alot of .17 HMR ammo..
a terrier named Odie....
Gonna make me a big orange and black kitty skin rug for in front of the fire. My Cattle Dog will love it.
More furry critters with which to use my varmint guns...
ok, things to get....
pans of Lasagna....
alot of .17 HMR ammo..
a terrier named Odie....
Gonna make me a big orange and black kitty skin rug for in front of the fire. My Cattle Dog will love it.
wacki
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No collar? Well that is one brilliant idea. I suggest you invest about $2 and fix that. This is a really basic step in protecting your cat and your daughter is just asking for trouble.
Quite a strong reaction from someone that doesn't take the most minimal of precautions to warn other people that it's a pet and not feral animal.
Did you not see the links and quotes in the very first post? I mean I even bolded and highlighted some important stuff in bright red. It's kind of hard to miss.
I have never had cat but I don't see why one wouldn't eat what they kill.
Apparently it's pretty popular in Korea, China, and eastern Europe. Heck you can even order it online:
http://www.kittybeef.com/
Welcome to Kitty Beef, your online Premium Cat Meat Supermarket, where you can order your meat, and have it delivered in vacuum sealed freshness directly to your door. We provide top quality meat and stand by all our products.
lol @ the name.
Invest a few bucks in a collar. If you are really worried try this invisible fence product line.
http://www.invisiblefence.com/product_solutions/index.asp?v=nav
They have stuff just for cats:
http://www.invisiblefence.com/product_solutions/cats/index.asp?v=nav
Theres no excuse for not being able to control your cat. An electric fence will guarantee your cat knows it's boundaries.
I agree with Biker. I just spent half a ton of cash to have a fence installed on our property to keep our dogs home. I don't know about others' laws, but here, all pets that are in public must be registered, collared, tagged. If they are not, I assure you, they will be what I call live-"bagged". I have live traps and I take the critters to animal control.
Note that if you reread that thread I posted, we also have laws that allow for sueing those people who are negligent with their pets. If you love your pet so much, control it. It did and I do! Cats can be controlled. I had cats for years. They are indoor pets, not outdoor.
Wacki: According to the local DNR officers, foxes are the only critters that kill more ducklings, pheasant, rabbits, etc than ferel cats. But, ferel cats are a very close second place.
Steak: your comment that "...if you kill my daughters cat, I will kill your dog, your chickens, and whatever other animal you have" is way over the top. I encourage you to re-read THR standards, and subsequently edit your post. Everything that we write here, after a few days, can nolonger be edited. It will become a permanent public record for all to see. Imagine how delightful a quote for the antis, that a gunowner went on the public record, threatening life as retribution. I don't think this is what God had in mind Re: an eye for an eye.
After you modify your quote, I will do likewise. Until then, I will leave the quote in mine, so that at worst, the antis will know that I went on the record in opposition to threats on life.
Note that if you reread that thread I posted, we also have laws that allow for sueing those people who are negligent with their pets. If you love your pet so much, control it. It did and I do! Cats can be controlled. I had cats for years. They are indoor pets, not outdoor.
Wacki: According to the local DNR officers, foxes are the only critters that kill more ducklings, pheasant, rabbits, etc than ferel cats. But, ferel cats are a very close second place.
Steak: your comment that "...if you kill my daughters cat, I will kill your dog, your chickens, and whatever other animal you have" is way over the top. I encourage you to re-read THR standards, and subsequently edit your post. Everything that we write here, after a few days, can nolonger be edited. It will become a permanent public record for all to see. Imagine how delightful a quote for the antis, that a gunowner went on the public record, threatening life as retribution. I don't think this is what God had in mind Re: an eye for an eye.
After you modify your quote, I will do likewise. Until then, I will leave the quote in mine, so that at worst, the antis will know that I went on the record in opposition to threats on life.
fspitzdorf
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I live across the road from a 300 head dairy farm... In the middle of no-where... Feral cats are a real issue here... The farmer feeds them (as well as the raccoons, possum and skunk) as they help keep rodent population down. Issue is, people drop of strays so the population builds, cats breed and make little cats, cats fight and spread disease... Last time i was across the road ( a week ago) i lost count after 140... THAT IS A LOT OF CATS...
My GF adopted one that followed her home from the place a few years back and 2 weeks and $120 later it was dead... as it had feline AIDS... We told the neighbor bout this and he erradicated the herd he had at the time (that he could get a shot at) but as we can see the population has exploded...
Weekly i catch a cat in my live trap that i keep by the barn for raccoons, etc which like to steal my chicken eggs... generally that cat gets dropped off somewhere on my way to work... My GF doesn't care for me uthenizing them... But if she isn't looking, the 22 makes quick work of them while they sit on the edge of the dumpster licking their chops. I've also had a few die in the barn as they thought the fly bait (used for fly & rodent control) was blue kool-aide or something...
Most that i trap or eliminate are sickly malnourished looking things... generally with respritory infections, etc...
Nothing like running out the front door at 2 am on a sumemr night with the scatter gun or 22 to chase off the cats screaming under your bedroom window as they are just mating away...
feral animals are a nuisance....
My GF adopted one that followed her home from the place a few years back and 2 weeks and $120 later it was dead... as it had feline AIDS... We told the neighbor bout this and he erradicated the herd he had at the time (that he could get a shot at) but as we can see the population has exploded...
Weekly i catch a cat in my live trap that i keep by the barn for raccoons, etc which like to steal my chicken eggs... generally that cat gets dropped off somewhere on my way to work... My GF doesn't care for me uthenizing them... But if she isn't looking, the 22 makes quick work of them while they sit on the edge of the dumpster licking their chops. I've also had a few die in the barn as they thought the fly bait (used for fly & rodent control) was blue kool-aide or something...
Most that i trap or eliminate are sickly malnourished looking things... generally with respritory infections, etc...
Nothing like running out the front door at 2 am on a sumemr night with the scatter gun or 22 to chase off the cats screaming under your bedroom window as they are just mating away...
feral animals are a nuisance....
MD_Willington
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Hey they also keep the coyotes from eating my garbage and the neighbors chickens...
...but they crap all over the place and that's just not cool for my pregnant wife and two young children that enjoy a POOP FREE sandbox...
I think next week I'll go drop a stanley steamer on my neighbors porch and see if they complain about it...
Titan6
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Feral cats came pretty close to wiping out the game bird population on some other property I hunt on. I have never owned a cat. This left me with a bunch of cats that I did no. I don't like cats. The cats would not even eat the field mice that were invading the old farm house. 15 boxes of mouse poison later the mouse problem was resolved. The cat problem started to resolve itself as well. Luckily the birds started to recover.
If the cats come back I will shoot them. If people really loved the little furry, cuddly animals they would not let them run loose and disrupt the enviornment.
Same for dogs. A dog gets loose once in a blue moon I can see it. A dog does not "get loose" every day at 5PM and wander around my land killing chickens or emptying my traps. If a friendly chat and then a good talking to does not work you will never see Fido again and I won't discuss it ever again either. I am not going to call animal control and wait a half an hour or half a day for them to show up and do nothing.
If you love your "pet" keep it on your property and obey the law.
If the cats come back I will shoot them. If people really loved the little furry, cuddly animals they would not let them run loose and disrupt the enviornment.
Same for dogs. A dog gets loose once in a blue moon I can see it. A dog does not "get loose" every day at 5PM and wander around my land killing chickens or emptying my traps. If a friendly chat and then a good talking to does not work you will never see Fido again and I won't discuss it ever again either. I am not going to call animal control and wait a half an hour or half a day for them to show up and do nothing.
If you love your "pet" keep it on your property and obey the law.
Some of you have referenced the local humane society. This is expensive to taxpayers. My village just got a bill from our county humane society for all the feral cats people in the area have turned into them. For one year the bill was $22,000. This is a town of about 5000 people. That means it costs every tax payer $4 a year becuase people won't control their damn cats.
Good thing I found the litter of 5 under the porch. I saved the taxpayers and myself some money the old fashioned way. Just doing my civic duty.
Good thing I found the litter of 5 under the porch. I saved the taxpayers and myself some money the old fashioned way. Just doing my civic duty.
Prince Yamato
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Let me also remind you that in states that allow you shoot to defend your property, you'd risk your own life because you were too negligent to pay $0.99 for a cat collar. Keep your cat on your own land.
And Wacki... careful with your invisible fence posting... you're encouraging people to take responsibility for their pets
Art Eatman
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Steak, feral cats are not pets. Okay? Not. Pets. We're talking about cats that are not associated with a particular house, with particular humans. Wild. Feral.
SFAIK, if it's legal to discharge a firearm in a particular area, it's legal to shoot a feral cat. It's legal to trap feral cats and then do as you wish, insofar as Texas law.
Or you can take the time to try to tame one into being a true pet. Nothing wrong with that.
But the tamest, gentlest, spayed, declawed Haus Putty is instantly willing to kill a bird or squirrel or mouse as soon as it sees one. Only the amount of effort will vary with how well fed is that particular cat. For their size they're one of the world's most efficient killing machines.
Art
SFAIK, if it's legal to discharge a firearm in a particular area, it's legal to shoot a feral cat. It's legal to trap feral cats and then do as you wish, insofar as Texas law.
Or you can take the time to try to tame one into being a true pet. Nothing wrong with that.
But the tamest, gentlest, spayed, declawed Haus Putty is instantly willing to kill a bird or squirrel or mouse as soon as it sees one. Only the amount of effort will vary with how well fed is that particular cat. For their size they're one of the world's most efficient killing machines.
Art
Carl N. Brown
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Over the years, we have had dogs and cats as pets, sometimes
both at the same time (we had a Siamese cat who raised a
Chinese bulldog pup as her "kitten").
Sometimes it is hard for cat or dog lovers to realize that feral
dogs and feral cats are not the pets that we know and love.
Feral dogs and feral cats are dangerous predators which
are often destructive of the environment and wildlife.
Sometimes they must be put down. I will not forget the
time I could not leave my car at the family cemetery in
the country because a pack of ten or so neglected, mixed
breed, collarless strays had my car surrounded.
It is no more heinous to trap and exterminate feral cats than
it is to trap and exterminate rats or any other destructive
vermin. What really raises my ire are the people who abandon
pets to become feral, when they should have the decency to
either take care of them properly, adopt them out or put them
down themselves. The real problem is irresponsible pet owners
(oh, excuse me, the P.C. term is "pet care givers.") While I
do not doubt there are all-cat-haters (or all-dog-haters) who
would kill any cat (or any dog) for kicks, I have encountered
no one yet who enjoys gratuitously killing feral cats
or feral dogs: they would rather not have the bother.
both at the same time (we had a Siamese cat who raised a
Chinese bulldog pup as her "kitten").
Sometimes it is hard for cat or dog lovers to realize that feral
dogs and feral cats are not the pets that we know and love.
Feral dogs and feral cats are dangerous predators which
are often destructive of the environment and wildlife.
Sometimes they must be put down. I will not forget the
time I could not leave my car at the family cemetery in
the country because a pack of ten or so neglected, mixed
breed, collarless strays had my car surrounded.
It is no more heinous to trap and exterminate feral cats than
it is to trap and exterminate rats or any other destructive
vermin. What really raises my ire are the people who abandon
pets to become feral, when they should have the decency to
either take care of them properly, adopt them out or put them
down themselves. The real problem is irresponsible pet owners
(oh, excuse me, the P.C. term is "pet care givers.") While I
do not doubt there are all-cat-haters (or all-dog-haters) who
would kill any cat (or any dog) for kicks, I have encountered
no one yet who enjoys gratuitously killing feral cats
or feral dogs: they would rather not have the bother.
Nanook
Member
Oh no! INBRED feral cats!
Jamie C.
Member
Anybody that has an un-neutered male cat that they allow to run loose is directly contributing to the feral cat population.
And yes, I'd rather shoot that one tomcat than have to deal with the two or three dozen feral kittens that I encounter here every year. ( Caught 6 out of 2 litters last year. 2 got away, my mom kept 2 of the ones i caught, one of which later died. Haven't gotten either of the two "moms" or the father in the right place at the right time yet, or they'd be history. Have already heard kittens crying in the woods this spring, no doubt due to the three adult ferals mentioned above. )
I should mention that I have 6 dogs, all kept in a fenced in yard, and never left out unsupervised.
I refuse to pay a vet bill because of them getting ahold of a diseased cat, or getting their faces torn up because of encountering one.
The bottom line is, an animal that crosses my property line is in danger of dying, no questions asked. Anybody that doesn't like it can take it up with the Sheriff. ( He'll inform you of what the fines are for letting your animal run loose, and send you on your way. )
J.C.
First of all, I am not bloodthirsty. I hate to kill an animal, be it dog, cat, or other. I have had to kill both dogs and cats in the past. We are talking feral animals here. These usually result from idiots dumping thier unwanted pets out near my property. Those are the only dogs and cats in danger of getting shot by me. I am not coming onto your property to shoot your cat, okay?
And the last cat I shot had it easy. It died after the first .22 round. I doubletapped to make sure.
The last dog I had to shoot with a .22 (because it was all I had), had a painful death. Considering it took 28 rounds before it expired, screaming all the way. Do you know what a dog sounds like it when it is shot? It ain't nice.
And threatning people who own guns is not a good idea at all. Especially people who have more firepower than some small armies.
And it ain't anywhere near the highroad. And if you are going to be immature like this, you are welcome to leave this board.
Highland Ranger
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Threads like this are scary. From the cat-lover over-reaction, to the childish threats . . . . . homosexuality and Jesus? I think I missed a few posts.
No matter - bottom line is this silliness does nothing for the advancement of 2nd amendment rights.
Very suprised the thread isn't closed yet.
It needs to be.
No matter - bottom line is this silliness does nothing for the advancement of 2nd amendment rights.
Very suprised the thread isn't closed yet.
It needs to be.
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