Legally acquiring a 14 in barrel for a Rem 870?

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I know that there is a $200 fee/tax required by ATF to own a shotgun with less than a 18 inch barrel. My question is what do you do if you already have a shotgun with a legal barrel but want to purchase a 14 inch barrel? Is there a form online at the ATF website that you fill out and send, check enclosed? I spoke to one dealer at a gun show who indiciated he can order me a 14 in 870 barrel and I can take possession, no problem but it is my responsility to file the proper paperwork and pay the fee. Is this right? I want to make sure I do this right. And how long does it take after paying the fee to Uncle before they send the paperwork making it all legal? Thanks.
 
It is legal to own a shotgun with a 14-inch barrel in Virginia? Read everything you can on the laws and know what you're doing before you start. Be patient and don't do anything until it's approved. Find a class III dealer in your area and talk to him.

http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/5000.htm#general
Form 1 - "Making" tax, which is applied to the manufacturing of a NFA weapon.
Form 4 - "Transfer" tax which is what you pay if you are buying an existing NFA firearm.

To obtain a NFA weapon, you need fingerprints, photographs, and the signature of the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of your municipality- and be warned... There are lots and lots of them who refuse to sign. It doesn't matter that you have a record cleaner than a nuns underwear- the law says they have this discretion to just not sign for no reason whatsoever.

A shotgun with a 14-inch barrel and a stock is considered a short-barreled shotgun and is controlled by the NFA branch of the BATF. Requires a $200 transfer tax if you buy it from a dealer or a $200 making tax paid if you make it yourself. These taxes are paid to the BATF in addition to the cost of the shotgun.

A shotgun with a 14-inch barrel and no stock, just a pistol grip is considered 'any other weapon' and is also controlled by the NFA. Requires a $5 transfer tax or a $200 making tax.

Both are legal to own and you can do it two ways; either buy one from a class three dealer with NFA approval or make it yourself with NFA approval. Both processes are long and frustrating but they do work and are completely legal. The approval process takes four months or so.

If you stick a 14-inch barrel on your gun without NFA approval, you're risking huge fines and prison time.
 
Thank you Flat. After giving it considerable thought, I decided that losing 4 inches off the barrel - I now have a 18 inch Police Magnum barrel on my 870P, is not worth the money, time, hassle, or expense. I have a feeling a lot of other folks will agree. The dealer quoted me a price of $215 for the 14 in barrel, $20 for shipping, and then I have to pay Uncle another $200 on top of that plus forms to fill, and then wait to hear. On top of all that, I'd just "have to have" Scattergun sights, -another $150 or so, and last but not least, I'd need a one shell magazine extension from Wilson for an additional $50. Nah, it's not worth it. I have a great shotgun as it is with the Police Magnum and high vis rifle sights. And I don't have to worry where I take it, if and when I decide to sell it, carrying/tranferring documentation, etc.etc.
 
Hey kraigster414

Just added the atf form page to my post. I've have a couple of 18" 870s and have handled a 14" version and couldn't tell much difference. A 14" would be better if you were getting in and out of a car with it alot. (Like a cop or military)
 
From a performance standpoint, you certainly don't gain anything from a shorter barrel versus a longer one, so from that standpoint, you're right to go w/ the 18" gun. On the other hand......14" shotguns are coooooooooooool. :D
 
Even though you decided not to do it, let me answer some of your questions anyway. There might be other people who are interested.
The first thing you would need to do is to complete a Form 1: Application to Make and Register a Firearm. You can find that form here: http://www.titleii.com/pdf/010205-Form1.pdf
You can fill out the form on-line and then print out TWO neat, completed Form 1s. As far as the ATF is concerned, you are manufacturing a firearm although in this case, all you are doing is installing a barrel. Since you are the manufacturer, you will need to engrave your name and location on the receiver of the gun. There are specifications as to this engraving.
After you have printed out your Form 1s, there are several steps you need to take before you can send it in. First, you need to get a couple passport photos. IMO, the easiest way to do this is to go to a chain drug store and have them take your picture and then process a whole sheet of small photos. Glue one photo on each of the two Form 1s.
Next you need to get fingerprinted. Make sure you use the correct fingerprint cards. Here in Las Vegas, the police department uses the correct cards already. You need two sets.
Then you get the chief law enforcement officer signature. He is signing that there are no local laws prohibiting you from owning this weapon.
Once the form 1s are completely filled out, pictures attached, and CLEO signature obtained you need to enclose the $200 tax. How you provide this money is up to you. I personally send a bank check so there can be no problems with them getting the money. I always envision that the day before they cash a check, I have some kind of personal crisis that drains my bank account and ATF sends back my paperwork with a letter that they couldn't cash the check: so, I send a bank check. Other people send a personal check so they can see that it was cashed and when it was cashed.
You will also need to include a form that testifies to the fact that you are a citizen.
You mail all this off to ATF and in a minimum of three months and a maximum of infinity, you will receive back one of the very Form 1s that you sent them, only it will now have a $200 tax stamp on the upper left corner. The tax stamp looks like a slightly large postage stamp and is marked as being valued at $200.
NOW, you can buy the barrel and install it. You can not legally own the barrel prior to this point in the proceedure.

You will hear a lot of people on the internet talking about jumping through hoops etc. And, I guess that reading about all those steps sounds like a big deal. It really isn't. That whole proceedure of making out the Form 1s takes me about two-three hours including drive time from home to the drug store to the sheriff's office to the bank. The only real PITA is the wait to get it back.
Someone will now chime in and say something like: "It's easy for you to say, our sheriff won't sign". Ok, that is another issue all together. The mechanics of doing this are easy. If you can't get the signature that changes everything. Here where I live, there is nothing to it. You drop the paperwork off and they call you when it is signed.

Whether or not this is worth it to you is something only you can answer. For me, it is.
 
That's a lot of work IMHO for 4 inches but if it's what you want....

I was very surprised when the dealer offerered to mail me the barrel after it was paid for. The fact that it wouldn't be legal until all the paperwork went through, was not his concern. All this he said was my responsibility. Wow. Buyer beware. I am glad I cancelled the whole thing.
 
Well, as I said, it isn't a lot of work. The whole thing takes a couple hours and 99% of that is driving time. If you don't want to do it, that is one thing, but it isn't a lot of work. Obviously, things like this arn't for everyone, but for those of us that enjoy stuff like this, there is very little work invovled.

As far as the barrel, this is something that you run in to every once in awhile. There is nothing illegal about buying or selling that barrel. If you buy that barrel, or a short AR15 upper or whatever, you don't have to show anyone any kind of credentials because none are required to own it.
BUT, if you own it AND have own a shotgun that it fits, you now have an issue. Even if the two are not assembled you can still be charged with "constructive intent".
 
I was very surprised when the dealer offerered to mail me the barrel after it was paid for. The fact that it wouldn't be legal until all the paperwork went through, was not his concern. All this he said was my responsibility.

Actually, if he sold you the barrel knowing that it would put you in possession of an illegal firearm, he could be charged with conspiracy to manufacture an unregistered short barreled shotgun. If he was unaware you were potentially doing something illegal, then the responsibility falls to you.

Many companies will not sell you things like <18" shotgun barrels until you provide them with a copy of your Form 1/Form 4 just to protect themselves.
 
Well, it's academic at this point. As I said, I just couldn't justify the effort (more effort than I am willing to expend at this time), the legal considerations, to say nothing of the cost to eliminate 4 inches of steel. But that's just me. Frankly, other than the "cool" factor, I see no real tangible advantage (for the civilian) to having the shorter barrel (I am not taking this thing to work everyday).

And, I handle my 18 inch 870 very well - it's all about practice. Having said that, if it was legal and the shorter barrel was only a hundred bucks or so more, with minimal paperwork, and on-the-spot turnaround, I probably would opt to go the 14 in. route.

Factoring in the cost of the barrel, the $200 fee, time, extra accessories I would need, gunsmithing, it comes to about $100 plus for each inch that's eliminated. Nah, don't think so. I feel well served with my 870P and 18 in barrel. But for those who can't do without, I say enjoy.
 
I've owned both and the 14" has a lot to recommend it. FYI, in Canada there is no difference between a factory-made 14" gun and any other long gun.

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I think the OP is asking what steps must be taken to simply purchase a 14" barrel WITHOUT installing it on the gun.

Here is the thing. Simply owning or purchasing a 14" shotgun barrel is not illegal or actually regulated in any way. However, owning a 14" barrel along with a shotgun that will accept it has been considered "intent" to manufacture an illegal weapon. In other words one could simply go out and order such a barrel without any hassle or permits or anything. However, having it could land you in trouble.

The best way to work around this is to obtain your tax stamp prior to the purchase of the barrel.
 
I think you are right on the money and it's the less expensive route to go as far as the Remington 870. The 14 in barrel alone is over $200 (at least that's what I was quoted). So if you want a short barrel gun, order it that way from the start. Also, the dealer assumes the legal responsibility for transfer. He'll make sure his paperwork is in order, otherwise you are right, he doesn't care, it's up to the buyer to make it all legal (after the sale).
 
Hkmp5sd:...Actually, if he sold you the barrel knowing that it would put you in possession of an illegal firearm, he could be charged with conspiracy to manufacture an unregistered short barreled shotgun. If he was unaware you were potentially doing something illegal, then the responsibility falls to you...

Charged by who? Barney Fife?

Barrels are not regulated by Federal law. It takes a little bit more than selling a barrel to make a conspiracy case.
 
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