How does one legally make say a Smith and Wesson hammer fired semi auto fully automatic or capable of select fire? Can one do this with a legally registered machine gun sear? Does one legally have to use that specific sear that one owns to make that gun fully automatic or can one keep the sear and use other parts to make the gun fully automatic?
Legally Making a Semi Auto Fully Automatic
- Thread starter Lord Soth
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Hkmp5sd
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You cannot do it.
In 1986, the government banned the sale of any machineguns not registered at that time to civilians. They will not allow you to register a newly manufactured machinegun OR a machinegun that was manufactured prior to the ban, but not registered.
You can legally purchase a pre-86 registered machinegun. ATF considers a full auto sear to be a machinegun. If you purchase a registered sear, you can install it into any firearm that will accept it WITHOUT modifications to the host gun.
In 1986, the government banned the sale of any machineguns not registered at that time to civilians. They will not allow you to register a newly manufactured machinegun OR a machinegun that was manufactured prior to the ban, but not registered.
You can legally purchase a pre-86 registered machinegun. ATF considers a full auto sear to be a machinegun. If you purchase a registered sear, you can install it into any firearm that will accept it WITHOUT modifications to the host gun.
10-Ring
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I've seen 3 guns in the last year go full auto. Each one has been fixed to operate properly. To alter ANY firearm so it has full auto capability is VERBOTEN 
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Destructo6
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IIRC, this was recently discussed over at www.stumgewehr.com .
The consensus was that if a sear was not made for that specific type of gun and registered prior to 1986, you're out of luck.
So, you cannot legally cut up or otherwise modify a registered HK autosear to go into a Glock (or other pistol).
The consensus was that if a sear was not made for that specific type of gun and registered prior to 1986, you're out of luck.
So, you cannot legally cut up or otherwise modify a registered HK autosear to go into a Glock (or other pistol).
Lord Soth- Do you realize all but three of the threads you have started have concerned machineguns, circumventing existing laws to obtain/manufacture machineguns, ccw of machineguns, destructive devices, and AOW's. IMHO your starting to sound weird/or like a troll. 
El Tejon
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schild, relax, he's just a curious kid probably born after May 1986. He's got the "Iwannacoolgun" virus and needs to treat the symptoms. Something we should understand.
Lord Soth, there are several ways. It depends. Who would purportedly do this? What is the status of the manufacturer?
He's got the "Iwannacoolgun" virus and needs to treat the symptoms. Something we should understand.Lord Soth, there are several ways. It depends. Who would purportedly do this? What is the status of the manufacturer?
Beorn
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2003 minus 22 years old equals 1980 or 1981.
You may have been born before 1986, but most five year olds aren't into the mechanics of automatic weapons...
I was born in 1970, and I didn't know much about them in 1986 either...
I myself have always wondered about Class III weapons. I saw an acquaintance (not a friend) "modify" the firing sear on a Ruger 10/22 when I was about 19 years old. He filed here and did some other stuff there (I must confess to not really paying attention; he just looked like he was destroying a gun to me), and went to the woods behind his house try this bad-boy out.
Well, he darned near killed himself. The extractor wasn't up to the speed, and it fed a fresh round before the fired brass could be ejected. And, like I said, he darned near killed himself. And he DID destroy a perfectly good rimfire rifle. That was the first, and last time I ever saw, or allowed myself to be around, such uninformed idiocy (until I went into teaching ).
Now, I have since fired an M-16, a Thompson sub-machine gun, an Uzi (full-size), and an M-60. And I'll admit, they were all cool. But I was not particularly accurate with any of them, and the amount of money spent on a few magazines/belts/drums could have kept me shooting for several minutes, not a few seconds. I have reached a point in my life where I'd rather be accurate than lucky.
Just the same, they were cool (especially the M-60!).
You may have been born before 1986, but most five year olds aren't into the mechanics of automatic weapons...
I was born in 1970, and I didn't know much about them in 1986 either...
I myself have always wondered about Class III weapons. I saw an acquaintance (not a friend) "modify" the firing sear on a Ruger 10/22 when I was about 19 years old. He filed here and did some other stuff there (I must confess to not really paying attention; he just looked like he was destroying a gun to me), and went to the woods behind his house try this bad-boy out.
Well, he darned near killed himself. The extractor wasn't up to the speed, and it fed a fresh round before the fired brass could be ejected. And, like I said, he darned near killed himself. And he DID destroy a perfectly good rimfire rifle. That was the first, and last time I ever saw, or allowed myself to be around, such uninformed idiocy (until I went into teaching
).Now, I have since fired an M-16, a Thompson sub-machine gun, an Uzi (full-size), and an M-60. And I'll admit, they were all cool. But I was not particularly accurate with any of them, and the amount of money spent on a few magazines/belts/drums could have kept me shooting for several minutes, not a few seconds. I have reached a point in my life where I'd rather be accurate than lucky.
Just the same, they were cool (especially the M-60!).
Stephen Ewing
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FTR, there is a way to legally make your very own machineguns. You just have to become a licensed manufacturer.
Yeah, I looked at that and decided that it made retaining the FFL look cheap and easy. Gave up. Pretty much what they wanted me to do.
Steve
Yeah, I looked at that and decided that it made retaining the FFL look cheap and easy. Gave up. Pretty much what they wanted me to do.
Steve
There's a guy here at work who legally owns 2 fully automatic weapons.
One is an HK SP89 that he purchased at least 10 years ago, and a full-auto AR-15 that he bought within the last 2 years.
He's married into the family of one of the most well known dealers in the State (Barrow Automotive), and it still took him 10 years to save up to buy his second "pre-sample" full auto.
Sounds like something I just plain ole' couldn't afford, not being a member of the family or anything
One is an HK SP89 that he purchased at least 10 years ago, and a full-auto AR-15 that he bought within the last 2 years.
He's married into the family of one of the most well known dealers in the State (Barrow Automotive), and it still took him 10 years to save up to buy his second "pre-sample" full auto.
Sounds like something I just plain ole' couldn't afford, not being a member of the family or anything
MarineTech
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To my knowlege, the SP89 was the semiauto only version of the MP-5K.
I don't know... I only saw it once, and have never fired it.
All I do know is this...
It's an H&K.
It is select fire.
It is not an MP5.
It does not have a folding stock.
It does have a vertical foregrip.
Therefore, I assumed it was an SP89.
I am not select-fire literate, so it could be an MP5-Kurz, but I thought those all had the Choate folding stock.
Whatever it is, it looks exactly like this, except it was full auto, not 3 round burst:
Of course, after "borrowing" this picture from www.hkpro.com and reading about the MP5K, I see that the MP5K-PDW is the one with the Choate folding stock.
My mistake... So he has an MP5K.
Thanks for the enlightenment.
Hkmp5sd
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Onslaught,
It's an easy mistake. The SP-89 looks exactly the same but without the vertical foregrip and auto-sear.
It's an easy mistake. The SP-89 looks exactly the same but without the vertical foregrip and auto-sear.
Destructo6
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It could still be marked, "SP-89" if the registered part is the sear and the gun is just the host.
The cheapest way to go auto is either a MAC or one of the new Vector Uzis.
The cheapest way to go auto is either a MAC or one of the new Vector Uzis.
blades67
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99% of the MP5K's in the U.S. are SP89's with registered sears.
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