Legal Full Auto Conversions?

[Pigspitter]

I want to say that I have absolutely no intention of converting a firearm to fully automatic. I was wondering if there is any legal way to do such a thing like forms and paperwork and whatnot? I've seen class three sights with guns described as "sear jobs" and was wondering if they have been converted and if you could still legally convert one? Thanks for your insights.

 

[Outlaws]

$10,000. That is the only legal way. $3500 if you like jamomatic Macs.

 

[Gord]

No.

The GCA of '86 is so simple that I'm surprised this question keeps popping up. There can be no new registration of MGs.

I believe that an auto sear can be considered a machine gun, and can therefore be swapped around between guns for which it's easy to do so as long as the standard transfer practices are adhered to.

No way to get a full-auto 'cept to buy one that's already out there (whether that's a complete firearm or just an auto sear).

 

[MRIman]

Need to become a class 3 manufacturer to build NFA stuff.
Others will add more.

MRI

 

[Novus Collectus]

I think the only way around FOPA is to make a fully automatic muzzleloading cap and ball gun.

 

[Pigspitter]

thanks that helps
darn stinking NFA and GCA

 

[DogBonz]

Sear Job

don't quote me on this, but I think that what they are saying is that the sear or trigger pack is the registered "machine gun".

From my understanding, and I have only had 2 cups of coffee so far today so I could still be a little fuzzy, is that there are two ways that machine guns are registered. The first is that the receiver (for example the lower of an AR/ M16) is the registered "machine gun". The other (sorry, I just don't have an example here) is that the sear of trigger pack is the registered part that makes what ever gun that it is in a "machine gun".

That is my understanding, but I could be wrong... it happened once be for.

 

[SDC]

For LEO or government use, things are still the way they always were (surprise, surprise), but for PRIVATE ownership, any full-autos had to be registered before 1986. That includes complete machineguns, but it also includes some transferrable items that are able to convert some ordinary receivers into machineguns. This list includes things like drop-in auto-sears (DIASs) and "Lightning Links" used in M16/AR-15s, pistol-grip fire control groups used in some H&Ks (HK 91s/G3s, HK94/MP-5s), and some trigger packs, like on the Norrel 10-22 conversions.

 

[TexasRifleman]

That is my understanding, but I could be wrong... it happened once be for

That's pretty much it. Some legal MGs are a registered receiver itself, some are a "part" that makes the host gun a MG when installed.

The nice thing about those (RDIAS, RLL, etc) is that you can move the registered item from semi to semi, making them full auto as you wish.

Well, in theory anyway. The RLL for example takes some fiddling around to get it running right. Every time I've tried to move it it's stopped working til I could readjust things.

 

[JTW Jr.]

$3500 if you like jamomatic Macs.

actually with some $$$ you can make a Mac flat out embarrass an MP5 at way less than an Mp5 will cost you ..
http://www.mac-11.net/review3.htm
I have seen more MP5's choke at subgun matches than any other.

Uzi's ( Vectors ) can still be found for $6500 +/-.

When you go full auto , it aint cheap , but it sho' is fun.

 

[Pigspitter]

I still got five years before I'm eligible so I guess I can save

 

[Gingerbreadman]

Do you have to sell machine guns in order to be a class III manufacturer? I thought I heard that once, but I didn't really understand it. The big reason behind that question is that I designed one and would like to build it sometime to see if it would work. I just don't want to spend many thousands of dollars, sell a bunch and worry about where they ended up, or go to prison just to see if it works.

 

[MRIman]

This is my understanding of this,note,I'm no class 3,nor do I want anyone
to go "above the laws"!!
If you can get ATFE to give you the "GO",I would think you would need to sell something?? If you had "something" in the works,they might also want
more info on it!!!
From what i've read,once you are a C-3,what you build and "don't sell"
can be kept by you!!!
You know you have to build demo's of things,think you may be able
to keep them once you turn in your FFL.
You need to talk with the people at subguns.com to get the full "jist"
of things.
Good luck on your choices.
As an FFL holder myself,it's not fun "knowing" your on the list. IF SHTF
happens,we will be the first in line for the "no knocks"!!!!!!!!

MRI

 

[mp510]

You know you have to build demo's of things,think you may be able
to keep them once you turn in your FFL.

Post-1986 dealer samples may be retained only while the FFL/SOT is retained. If the FFL/SOT is given up or revoked, the firearms must be surrendered to ATF, transfered to another FFL/SOT with a demo letter, transfered to an eligible police department/ government agency, or surrendered to the BATFE.

And for those thinking about getting an SOT for the purposes of collecting, don't even think about it. ATF frowns on that behavior- big time If you are not actually engaged in business (making sales), and you are accumulating a large number of post samples on love letters from CLEOs, or are using your SOT status to avoid the $200 tax on transferable items, the ATF will shut you down. You will loose the posties, and they will nail you for taxes not paid.