LEO SubStations in Schools??

[billybob44]

IMO we need police/or the chance of police in schools.
Could the schools designate one small room, close to main entrance to the school, as a police substation?

It, to me, also be wise to have a marked car out in front of that office, with or without a LEO inside of the building??

This could be an away from the main station roll call, or just an office for the LEO'S to do paperwork.

These could be SMALL rooms-just enough for 4 or 5 eight foot tables, computer, desk, file cabinet etc.

Officers could be in+out of these rooms during all school hours+show an officer on duty without (To Me) much additional taxpayer cost??

What say you??Bill

 

[NavyLCDR]

My daughter's high school has a police officer assigned there, with a reserved parking space right out front for the marked police car. Unfortunately the police officer's primary duty is to watch the students for criminal activity.

 

[Teachu2]

My high school district has it's own police department - third largest in the county!

 

[ColtPythonElite]

School resource officers are common in schools where I live.

 

[Steve in PA]

My dept has an officer in the elementary school on our community.

 

[TyGuy]

We could do what Israel does, allow armed volunteers do school security. They could go through training and background checks. Heck, I'd pay $1,000 and give up some time off to help make my son's school safer.

 

[SwissArmyDad]

We could do what Israel does, allow armed volunteers do school security. They could go through training and background checks. Heck, I'd pay $1,000 and give up some time off to help make my son's school safer

x2 sign me up.

 

[billybob44]

My high school district has it's own police department - third largest in the county!

Indianapolis is like that. Indianapolis School Police is the second largest in Marion County. Only Indy Metro (City+County Sheriff) is larger.

Guess what=Indy does NOT have much problems with criminals in schools!!!

 

[igousigloo]

My district has a School Resource Officer in the high school and the Jr. high school. My reflections from listening to the scanner and news reports are he is a truant officer.

 

[Prince Yamato]

In Texas, high schools and middle schools have school resource officers. It's a more PC name for "armed police officer". They have guns, tasers, pepper spray, and handcuffs. The schools I've been in, over the course of my work have multiple officers on multiple floors. The officers also have vehicles out front of the school.

 

[BK]

an officer on duty without (To Me) much additional taxpayer cost??

How many schools are in this nation? Thousands? Tens of thousands?

Maybe something like 132,656 schools in all when you add up all the public schools within every last of the 13,809 school districts, all those small kindergartens, charter schools, private schools, etc: http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d10/tables/dt10_005.asp?referrer=list

When you remove the private schools you have 98,706 public schools: http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d10/tables/dt10_097.asp?referrer=list

How many campuses in all between all of those 98,706 public schools? How many officers will it take to be present at all those campuses to effectively change our schools from an extremely soft target to something else?

Seems economically impossible without substantial additional cost. You'd have an officer twiddling his thumbs for eight hours a day in a little 20-kid kindergarten out in the middle of rural nowhere, everyday, all day, all year, every year, because those little ones are just as valuable and vulnerable as any others.

 

[TyGuy]

1 officer per school in the US, K-12 (not per building) @ $50,000 per year would be 5.3 billion FYI

 

[JFtheGR8]

The Walmart were I live has a police substation and they're a private corporation capable of hiring their own security. Absolutely schools should have a police substation. Most of the school districts where I live have resource officers but they have to cover more than one school.


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[Zombiphobia]

Besides the possibility of some whacko going on a rampage, I worry about children being kidnapped from schools.


That has been a looming possible threat since forever and is enough in and of itself to make me support armed security personnel in all schools.


Kimberly Leech, anyone?

I went to the same school she was abducted from b Ted Bundy. That school has an armed roving officer, and no children have been kidnapped from there since. They have no shootings either, and when the officers came on board fighting amongst students was reduced as well as drugs, which sadly enough is also a problem in schools that needs to be addressed far more urgently than gun-violence.


Yup, we could benefit from armed officers in school on more than one front.

 

[powder]

A cop, office, and squad at every school?

The city I live in has 2 high schools and 6 grade schools: who's going to pay for the salary of 8 cops, buy more squads, and provide them with gear and office equipment? That's over $500,000 a year just for LEO salary.

 

[Walking Dead]

1 officer per school in the US, K-12 (not per building) @ $50,000 per year would be 5.3 billion FYI

I'm sure the teachers union wouldn't mind putting up some of that. Right?

 

[Vermont Guy]

What could go wrong...

You could say that my objection to police in schools are cultural.

Having a uniformed officer in the school teaches the students to look to the police to protect them. They will come to expect the police to protect them when they leave school as well. If every other person is a police officer will that be enough? Three fourths?

Do the teachers have any responsibility for the safety of their students? Apparently not. No one has ever been fired for allowing their class to be murdered. Infiltrate the schools with police and you will justify teacher's claim that protecting children isn't part of their job description. Not, mind you, that anyone ever said it was. I say it is time to call them to account.

Do parents have any responsibility for their children's safety or is that too of the job of the police? Then we will need the police in every home.

Lets turn this country in to a police state. As Biden says, "If it saves just one life".

Bottom line is that armed teachers are an American solution. Reliance on the police is something else.

 

[powder]

Armed teachers?

Armed guards?

Cops?

Va Tech had 2 armed guards on campus-no deterrant.

Columbine had 2 armed security people on campus-no deterrant.

Ft. Hood had armed military guards at their posts-no deterrant.

Ron Reagan was surrounded by well-trained/armed security, and how many people died?

Not sure how everybody just gets on the "Wayne wagon" ideas as solutions, when they haven't worked before?

$7.2 Billion is projected cost for 132,000 new school cops. Who is going to pay for that?

 

[NMPOPS]

The school district in the town I retired from has two high schools and 6 Middle & primary schools. When I retired we had 6 SRO's who split there time at the schools teaching DARE etc. The school district paid half their salary. Shooters, IMHO, look for easy targets, the mere presence of an officers should deter most problems.

 

[gc70]

The thought and discussion generated by the armed school security proposal will be good for gun rights.

The standard debate is "more gun control prevents shootings" versus "guns don't cause shootings." The general public (those without strong pro- or anti-gun positions) know that you have to have a gun to have a shooting, so the gun control mantra probably sounds casually more appealing ... unless something grabs their attention to think about the issues.

I think the armed school security proposal has grabbed people's attention.

When people think about the proposal, they realize that there are already "guns in schools" and that more guns in schools would not expose students to greater risk. That realization is positive to the extent that it helps remove the stigma that gun control advocates try to attach to guns.

The proposal also makes people think about how far they are willing to go to protect against a risk that has an infinitesimally low probability. We already see people discussing how much the proposal would cost versus how effective it would be. That type of discussion moves the debate from an emotion-based appeal ("it's for the children") to a logical, cost-benefit analysis.

If the public only hears emotional appeals about dead kids, we are in trouble. Anything that captures the public's attention and makes people think will allow us to make the logical arguments needed to win this debate.

 

[Dr_B]

My high school in Tennessee had a deputy stationed there full-time. He was mainly there to monitor student behavior, but that didn't make him any less of a deterrent. Even if he hadn't been there, I never once would have suspected that anyone would start shooting in our school. Times are different now. We have a problem at the societal level that won't be corrected by armed guards in schools. Unfortunately, it is a problem that will take years or even generations to correct. Gun control will be the opiate that makes the masses feel better about their safety. But it will do nothing toward solving the source of our problem.

 

[VINTAGE-SLOTCARS]

leo's in schools

A very expensive way to go. Maybe Police Reserves , Retired police officers persons already trained in police tatics and weapons. They already have knowledge in laws and arrests, the liability of being threatened with law suits. Most Teachers wont take the liability and should not. Some thing needs to be done to protect children where hundreds are at one time five days a week. We need to brain storm as a concerned community and come up with several ways to enforce a workable plan. Our children deserve the best we can provide.

 

[billybob44]

Thanks for the response.

Some of my ideas were not taken the way I intended.
I would NOT ADD any officers to the existing city or county payrolls.

The substation would be an office where the LEO'S would check in+out of during the course of the day/shift. They would be equipped with a desk, a few tables, coffee pot, micro wave oven, and full PC systems, to run paper work, check their court date schedules,etc.

My idea is this would NOT add to the manpower of the Police/Sheriff's Dept. that was servicing the area that the school was in.

As far as a marked dept. unit outside of the office-that could be a "Retired Unit" that was already due to go to auction?? When an actual officer was in the office, there would be two units out front..Bill.

 

[gc70]

Some of my ideas were not taken the way I intended.

You shared something new, which prompted others to broaden their thinking in response. It's all good.

 

[Tirod]

Actually, as many have posted, having police in the schools is already done. Most of the districts here have armed police officers in the high schools, and school resource officers in the middle schools.

Why? Well, sometimes parents in a divorce who don't have custody come get the kids and disappear. That is kidnapping. And all too many kids are playing with drugs. Once it surfaces, the officer already on the scene can transport them to juvenile detention.

We don't sit idly by in our districts. We deal with the issues.

These problems exist, and are already being addressed. Frankly, I'm quite surprised so many don't know they already have officers in the halls. What's ironic is those officers are issued or had to pay for the high capacity magazines they are required to carry. And if they have a cruiser parked outside, they likely have a fully automatic M16 in the trunk or gun rack that the US Government loaned as surplus to the department.

Our kids see guns and high cap magazines every day. Have for years. Cops are already part of the budget, and they work with teachers and the kids on contingency plans, too. Rehearsals with staff are scheduled and practice sessions carried out.

If that hasn't happened in your school district I seriously question whether your administration is competent to continue in their job - unless, of course, your divorce rate is so low children aren't being taken, or there is no drug problem at all.

I suspect that it's really a matter of clueless parents more than a lack of incidents.