Les Baer or Kimber

[cerberus]

Tamara

Don't go off mad I think you really did a great job of explaing the facts as you understand them to someone as lost to the difference's between the "Custom handmade Baer 1911s" and the "Production Mfg. Kimbers" I was just injecting a little downunder humor into the forums thread. If I have offended someone I am very sorry. Anyway I thankyou for giving me the quick education.

 

[Kiwi]

Phantomak47

I made the mistake of purchasing a Les Baer ( Thunder Ranch Special ), now every time I pick up a handgun that is not a Les Baer it just dosen't feel right. So I guess I'm just going to have purchase more Les Baers.

Regards Kiwi.

 

[Werewolf]

cerberus admitted to us all that:

How well a gun feels in my hand or how sweet the trigger feels or... means nothing at all to this poster

I would submit Sir that no matter how well you shoot now you would shoot much better if you got over the quoted attitude.

Trigger action is IMO (and I'm hardly alone in this) right up there near the top on the list of things that must be right in order to shoot well. Indeed the feel of a weapon in your hand is also important as one cannot shoot up to par if one is uncomfortable with a grip.

Trigger and grip are important aspects of shooting a handgun well. Do not hamper your ability to improve by not realizing that...

 

[E36M3]

I've got a Rock River Arms that's a very enjoyable shooter. I ordered it with no frills and I really like it that way.
Just got a Kimber Ultra CDP that I tremendously enjoy. It fits the hand extremely well for a small firearm and is a joy to shoot.
I recently handled a Les Baer that seemed out of control good quality. Guess I'm gonna have to get one of those as well - probably a Concept VII.
I hate you. I was fine before my forum life. You all suck.

 

[Werewolf]

Here, educate yourself a little:

A Visit to Les Baer Shop

I just read the article pointed at by the link in the original message.

Very interesting. But what it means to me is that if a Les Baer firearm goes south you're better off sending it back to them than having your local gunsmith fix it. Is this a reasonable assumption?

 

[cerberus]

Reply to Werewolf

Quote:
I would submit Sir that no matter how well you shoot now you would shoot much better if you got over the quoted attitude.

Trigger action is IMO (and I'm hardly alone in this) right up there near the top on the list of things that must be right in order to shoot well. Indeed the feel of a weapon in your hand is also important as one cannot shoot up to par if one is uncomfortable with a grip.

Trigger and grip are important aspects of shooting a handgun well. Do not hamper your ability to improve by not realizing that...

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Werewolf

And tell us all about your combat firearm experience?



I just can't wait to hear them all.

 

[Majic]

Very interesting. But what it means to me is that if a Les Baer firearm goes south you're better off sending it back to them than having your local gunsmith fix it. Is this a reasonable assumption?

Yes. Any time you have a hand tuned firearm it's best to go to the people who adjusted it that way. Someone else may not be up to their level of skill and readjust the fine tuning losing what you paid good money to obtain.

 

[Werewolf]

cerberus said:

And tell us all about your combat firearm experience?

I just can't wait to hear them all.

My combat experience (which is none of your business) is totally irrelevant in regards to your theory that trigger action and grip feel are not important aspects of the ability to shoot well.

Address those points of the discussion and I'll be happy to reply. Other wise your ad hominen attacks are best left in your head and not posted on this board.

 

[Watch-Six]

I have owned three Kimber 1911s (still have two) and six Baer 1911s (still have five). The Kimbers are good. The Baer's are better. If you shoot them side by side you will probably agree. If you don't, then that's ok with me. Watch-Six

 

[cerberus]

If it makes you feel good

Owning a high buck 1911 It's sure ok with this poster. I feel good with my Kimbers and if and when the time comes that I really need to use my Kimbers to defend myself or Family. I really don't think it would make any real difference if it was one of my Kimbers or a Baer a Wilson or a Brown or any other 1911. I don't think anyone really cares how their gun feels when their in need to get a shot off quickly. Hey I have a Glock G23 and I feel just as good about having it with me it's not a pretty gun but I feel it should get the job done.

 

[Heraclitus]

I have never shot a Les Baer in my life, so I refrain from any comparison between the two. But this much is true: I have shot the bejesus out of my Kimber Gold Match for over three years now (L10), having only replaced the factory MSH, grips and recoil spring, and it still outperforms many Limited and a few Open division guns at the range. Or is it just me?

P.S. > I still want my Custom 6" STI Eagle with all the trimmings. Howzabout starting a Les Baer vs STI thread?

 

[Greg45]

cerberus:

First of all, this post was asking about the comparisons between the Les Baer and Kimbers. How can you be qualified to make a comment when you say you've never owned or handled the Baer. An internet commando does not an expert make.

Secondly, maybe you just need to not comment on the threads where you are not knowledgable enough to participate in.

I've owned both, and althought the Kimbers are ok, the Baers are much better. Period. End of story.

If you are happy with your Kimbers, more power to you, but that really wasn't the question now was it.

BTW, my $50 Casio will keep time just as good as a Rolex. Does that mean it's as good? Me, I'd rather have the Rolex.

 

[cerberus]

Reply to Greg45 I agree on one item

Greg45

The Rolex is the only watch I would ever own. And now back to the subject of Kimbers or Les Baer I never posted anything negative about the Les Baer 1911 I have just posted my thoughts on this subject and why I just stick with my production Kimber 1911s. People can read what I post and then do as they see fit. Also I really don't need any advice from you Greg45 as to what and how I post about any subject in this or any other thread. And again with the money I saved from buying my Kimbers I could afford my new Rolex. As I wanted to replace the one I had been wearing since 1961.

 

[rick_reno]

I feel good with my Kimbers and if and when the time comes that I really need to use my Kimbers to defend myself or Family. I really don't think it would make any real difference if it was one of my Kimbers or a Baer a Wilson or a Brown or any other 1911.

You need to think about what would happen if you were to really need to use your Kiimbers and one of the MIM parts broke. Have you practiced throwing them?

I have both Kimber and Les Bear (and others, but this is what is being discussed here). My Baer is a PII with the 1.5 group and it is one of two 45's that I own that has been 100% reliable - and the other one is not a Kimber. My Kimber Gold Match will shoot as good as the Baer, but it was a 4 year exercise getting it to the point where it worked reliably. I believe the guns coming out of the Kimber custom shop are comparable with Baer guns, a fellow on our pistol team shoots one of the Super Match (?) guns and it's both reliable and accurate. It also cost more than my Baer did.

 

[cerberus]

Answer to rick_reno

Quote: rick_reno
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You need to think about what would happen if you were to really need to use your Kimbers and one of the MIM parts broke. Have you practiced throwing them?
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Don't think throwing any gun would prove anything except how really stupid the thrower was. Have you given your guns a good throw?

Now it's coming out it's all about MIM parts. Have you had any MIM parts fail in your Kimbers rick_reno? I guess everyone needs to stay awake at night wondering it some part will break in their guns when it's time they are needed to defend their lives. Maybe everyone should wonder if their Ammo. will fire when needed? It's like a light bulb everytime you turn a light off maybe it won't be working the next time. Maybe the Ammo. in your Baers Mag. just might be defective. Give that some real thought.

 

[Ankeny]

This thread has deteriorated to the point of

 

[TaxPhd]

"And tell us all about your combat firearm experience?



I just can't wait to hear them all."

ROTFLMFAO!!

In most cases, combat firearm experience has little to do with being proficient at shooting. Your average IPSC/IDPA shooter with NO combat experience is a significantly better shooter than your average combat veteran. Simply no comparison.

Oh, while Rolex makes a decent watch, around here we call 'em the "Texas Timex."



Scott

 

[Rinspeed]

I've owned both, and althought the Kimbers are ok, the Baers are much better. Period. End of story.

I own both and I agree 100%. There is no comparison. Kimber makes a nice 1911 and I think they had a lot to do with raising the quality of both Colt and Springfield but to compare them to a Les Baer is a joke.

Rinspeed

 

[cerberus]

Yep me too

If I had payed $3000 for a Les Baer I sure would never admit that my $900 Kimber was as good. That sure would be a joke Ha!! Ha!!

 

[Ankeny]

Actually, I had more money in my Kimber Stainless Gold Match than I paid for my Les Baer (used). I think cerberus is just trolling. No one could possibly be that ignorant.

 

[Tamara]

Ankeny,

You are correct. That is why I ceased responding to him.

 

[Greg45]

My Premier II was $1100. Not much more than most Kimbers, and cheaper than some others.

 

[YodaVader]

For the pistol shooter who competes in sanctioned shooting events where match accuracy along with reliability are of the highest importance I feel safe in saying most serious shooters would choose a Les Baer over a Kimber without hesitation. Or to put it another way , I was over at the Camp Perry matches in 2000 and watched some of the 45 stages of the Bullseye competition. My friend and his fellow team shooters - all High Masters , NONE of them used a Kimber. Saw plenty of Guns from Clark , Rock River and even Les Baer that day - don't recall seeing a single Kimber.

 

[Heraclitus]

For the pistol shooter who competes in sanctioned shooting events where match accuracy along with reliability are of the highest importance I feel safe in saying most serious shooters would choose a Les Baer over a Kimber without hesitation.

You are definitely right. You are also safe not to say that those few shooters who choose the best Kimber that money will buy and customize it with due diligence are not highly competitive, or that they are not serious about the sport, or that accuracy and reliability are not of the highest importance to them.

My timing might be a wee bit off, but my sweet Gold Match with polished feed ramp, throated match-grade barrel, arched S&A MSH, 18.5 lb Wolff recoil spring and premium contoured rosewood grips sure as hell isn't!

 

[Missouri Mule]

I own 2 Kimber's at the moment. One has the internal extractor and the other has the external version.

Yeah sure i had to tweak the internal and may someday have to replace it, so what. That ius easy and no big deal.

The pistol with the external extractor is still not completely trustworthy.
It's getting better though.

After having said all of this I'd choose a Kimber with the original "old Fashioned" internal extractor.

Baers may be good but the ones I have seen just are not worth the cost , in my opinion.

Good luck...I don't think you can really go wrong with either.