Let boys play with toy guns, Nurseries told

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Let boys play with toy guns, Nurseries told
By Graeme Paton, Education Editor
Last Updated: 3:06am GMT 29/12/2007



Young boys should be encouraged to play with toy guns and other weapons at nursery to get them interested in education, according to Government guidance.

Nursery staff are told in official advice to resist their "natural instinct" to stop under-fives playing with weapons in games with other toddlers.

A new document issued by the Department for Children, Schools and Families said children should be encouraged to take part in play which "involves more action".

advertisementLast night teachers condemned the advice, warning that toy guns "symbolise aggression".

But ministers said education needed to be tailored towards the needs of boys to ensure they do not fall behind from a young age.

There is continuing concern over the gap in standards between boys and girls, which has failed to narrow in recent years.

Boys lag behind at every age, and a report published earlier this year warned that inability to read and write properly at primary school was fuelling an "anti-education culture" which became more pronounced as boys progressed through the system.

The new guidance aims for improvement by "creating the right conditions for boys' learning" before they start formal primary education.

Making use of boys' interests can help them become more interested in school, the document suggested.

"Sometimes practitioners find the chosen play of boys more difficult to understand and value than that of girls," it said.

"They may choose activities in which adults involve themselves least, or play that involves more action. Images and ideas gleaned from the media are common starting points in boys' play and may involve characters with special powers or weapons.

"Adults can find this type of play particularly challenging and have a natural instinct to stop it.

"This is not necessary as long as practitioners help the boys to understand and respect the rights of other children and to take responsibility for the resources and environment.

"Creating situations so that boys' interests in these forms of play can be fostered through healthy and safe risk-taking will enhance every aspect of their learning and development."

But the National Union of Teachers criticised the advice on toy guns. Steve Sinnott, the NUT general secretary, said: "The real problem with weapons is that they symbolise aggression. We do need to ensure, whether the playing is rumbustious or not, that there is a respect for your peers, however young they are.

"The trouble with weapons is that the toy gun is often accompanied by aggression."

Chris Keates, the general secretary of the NASUWT teachers' union, warned that nurseries following the guidance risked incurring the anger of parents.

"Many parents take the decision that their children won't have toy weapons," she said.

"In addition to that, I think this is a clear example of gender stereotyping."

But Beverley Hughes, the Children's Minister, defended the advice.

"The guidance simply takes a common-sense approach to the fact that many young children and, perhaps, particularly many boys, like boisterous, physical activity," she said.



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:D Maybe my mother was right all along, she let me have all the [TOY] GUNS I wanted. Now I`am a gun nut, and loving it! lol :neener::)
 
"Hysterical nanny-state socialists can find this type of play particularly challenging and have a natural instinct to stop it."

"Sometimes women and emasculated men find the chosen play of boys more difficult to understand and value than that of girls,"

There, I fixed it.
 
my mom wouldn't let me have toy guns, or she did, but only ones that weren't any fun :(. oh well. funny how in this case the government in the uk is taking a very unusual and common sense standpoint and the teachers are very, very upset that they may have to acknowledge that kids are kids and that they might not want to play scientist or librarian in elementary school.
 
Steve Sinnott, the NUT general secretary
:D bwahaha, bold added by me.

"natural instinct" :rolleyes: Yeah, all humans are born with a natural instinct to not let kids play with toy guns...idiots.
 
I remember reading a letter to the editor from a bleeding heart that said boys should play with dolls -- that would make them more "sensitive."

Well, it so happened that the boy next door played with dolls. And I noticed something -- when my daughters played with dolls, Barbie had a tea party, or a wedding or something like that.

When the boy played with dolls, Barbie had a wreck, got run over by a train, or fell off her sail boat and drowned.
 
I grew up in the 50's-early 60's and every kid on the block were armed with toy guns, even the girls. I have several pictures of us and our guns. Our parents accepted this as normal behavior. No wonder, my parents were part of the "Greatest Generation". And none of the kids that I am aware of turned into a gun toting homicidal maniac. And I am now a 57 year old grandfather who can't wait to buy my granddaughter a toy gun to play with. And then a real one when she is old enough.
 
Vern Humphrey said:
[...] And I noticed something -- when my daughters played with dolls, Barbie had a tea party, or a wedding or something like that.

When the boy played with dolls, Barbie had a wreck, got run over by a train, or fell off her sail boat and drowned.
Yesterday 12:18 PM
:D:evil:
 
I suspect when scientists are finally able to read the DNA chain, letter by letter, they may find a "Rule #3" that states "boys like to break stuff"..."let them"...
 
I think that a lot of our societal problems stem from the tendancy over the past 20 years to keep young boys from being boys. No toy guns, not letting boys roughhouse in the playground, the gradual shift away from competitive sports, zero tolerance policies when it comes to fighting; all these take away young boys' natural outlets for testosterone and their natural need to establish a pecking order.

When boys aren't allowed to be boys, they miss out on learning important socialization skills. Skills like What is an appropraiate response when someone looks at your girlfriend or calls you a name, How to stand up to a bully, or how to deal with being teased at school. When I was a kid, we didn't have so much BS to deal with. We were allowed to be boys. We faced and dealt with our problems ourselves and with the help of our parents, usually our dads. There were more guns around then than now, yet no one went off the deep end and shot up their schools or their buddies over some perceived disrespect.
 
I remember having a sweet toy M-16 in the early 80's triangular handguards, three prong flash hider, no shell deflector, no forward assist. You'd pull the trigger and the rubber band actuated action would make a sound like a 5 shot burst. Of course it was later replaced with a VERY realistic toy UZI with a magazine full of AA batteries it had a light in the muzzle sounded real and if you put a drop of machine oil in it, it would even SMOKE!!!
 
When my boys play with dolls (actually benibaby type dogs ect) they usually reenact blackhawk down or gods and generals. Never seen a teaparty with them.

My 6 year old nephew from north carolina called me a couple of weeks ago to tell me what he wanted for Christmas. He wanted a G-U-N. He spelled it as his mother/my sister was on the line also. (couldn't let her know!) My sister and brother in law are not rabid anti gun but just don't have them around. I made him a silouette gun with a 1x12 plank and jig saw. Drew the silouette of my ar15 on the plank and cut it out. I have done it for my kids and he knows what I have made. I gave it to him today, should have seen the smile.
 
I think that a lot of our societal problems stem from the tendancy over the past 20 years to keep young boys from being boys.
In fact, most of the research on children, from the late '60s on, was done on girls (probably boys wouldn't sit still and be studied.) The Politically Correct policy was to raise boys as if they were girls.

The problem is, when boys hit puberty, they become aggressive -- and if they haven't learned through play (and yes, play with guns) how to deal with aggression, they can become dangerous monsters.

I had the great good fortune to attend a Catholic school run by the Christian Brothers. They didn't tell us not to fight -- if we wanted to fight, we climbed into the ring and put the gloves on. That taught us the three most valuable lessons I've ever learned.

1. Stand up for yourself -- there's no on in the ring to help you.

2. No matter how mad you get, there are rules that must be followed.

3. A punch in the nose really hurts!
 
When boys aren't allowed to be boys, they miss out on learning important socialization skills. Skills like What is an appropraiate response when someone looks at your girlfriend or calls you a name, How to stand up to a bully, or how to deal with being teased at school. When I was a kid, we didn't have so much BS to deal with. We were allowed to be boys. We faced and dealt with our problems ourselves and with the help of our parents, usually our dads. There were more guns around then than now, yet no one went off the deep end and shot up their schools or their buddies over some perceived disrespect.

Well said Mr. White!
 
I may only be 15, but I've had the best teachers ever. When we got in a fight, they broke it up and gave up 5 ounce gloves. Getting punched just about anywhere in the face hurts pretty bad, even with the gloves.

MY mother never bought anything for me, my dad lived in another city (divorced parents). It was my GrandFather who taught me to be a man. He bought me a Red Ryder for my 4th birthday, he gave my my Great Grandfather's Marlin 39 on my 13th birthday, allowing me to shoot it from the age of 10. He taught me many life lessons, and I owe him more than I can give.
 
Ishida, I would say your grandfather got exactly what he wanted- A first class grandson! Welcome to THR!
 
Unwanted aggression...

Perhaps we ought to encourage everyone else to stop all aggressive behavior in schools... it should make it easier for us to overwhelm them militarily and economically as they grow generations of placid people. :evil:

Without any sort of aggression, there is no will to survive -- no need to overcome obstacles, and eventually no self determination.

While we're at it, we ought to offer pills to help them cope with the disappointment in their lives as somehow they have been bred into submission.

Too bad that we're not that far away ideologically in most of our schools... :banghead:

I wonder about the open air schools in the 3rd world where (in my experience) the kids that survive and come over here are almost unstoppable in their dedication and determination to make their own lives and the world around them better. Do they worry about toys?
 
I have some very fond memories (still very vivid after some 40 years) of "papa Bill", (who along with his wife, "mama Frankie", ran the nursury school and kindergarten I attended)...

1. he would take a 6" cut off from an old garden hose and nail it to a block of wood so us little tykes could play the two most "brain damaging" games know to pre-school.......cops and robbers and cowboys and indians.

2. he showed the entire class a very large and very black looking revolver....passing it around the class....as part of his lesson on "don't play with guns".

one sad memory....

3. when I "borrowed" my older brothers favorite super ball (colored to look like a billiards 8-ball) and took it to pre-school to show my friends, Papa Bill caught me playing with the super ball during nap time and took it away....never to be seen again.

Respect for authority and discipline for disobedience......no wonder I'm so warped! :rolleyes:
 
And they wonder how come todays kids are so messed up.
Little boys are not little Girls.
It's no wonder the military has to reject so many applicants.
 
The above posts really speak to the need to raise your kids. Too many parents think the schools will do it for them.

This discussion also makes a strong case for joining the scouts, an organization that has no problem letting boys be boys, while providing them with a path to become men. They also are pretty aggressive in protecting their scouts from individuals and organizations who would immasculate them.
 
Chris Keates, the general secretary of the NASUWT teachers' union, warned that nurseries following the guidance risked incurring the anger of parents.

"Many parents take the decision that their children won't have toy weapons," she said.

"In addition to that, I think this is a clear example of gender stereotyping."

I doubt that Ms Keates has any kids.


I don't have a doctorate degree in psychobabble or a teaching degree, but I can say with absolute certainty that boys and girls don't play the same. My son likes guns, dinosaurs, transformers, and race cars (he gets really insulted and defensive if I call one of his Transformers a doll), and my daughter likes dolls and her play kitchen set (which even seems odd to me on the surface since I do most of the cooking and kitchen duties in my household). Kids of different sexes take to different activities like ducks to water- their brains are wired up entirely differently.
 
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