Let's discuss AR-style stocks on a shotgun.

[Shpadoinkel]

I recently purchased a Knoxx SpecOps Stock for my Pardner Protector.
The reason I went with the Knoxx is because it is solely an HD shotgun and on the off chance my wife had to use it if I’m not around, I had two concerns with the original stock.
1. The recoil is going to put her on her butt.
2. The LOP was a bit long.

The Knoxx takes care of both of these problems quite nicely.

If tailoring the gun to my wife wasn’t a concern, I probably still would have gotten the Knoxx. Set in the middle notch is comfortable for range shooting, but I could see having it set all the way in to the shortest notch for HD handling (plus its easier to store under my bed when it's all the way in). But the main thing is recoil-reduction. I can only get out to a range 4-5 times a year, so when I do I’d like to put 100+ shells down range. And since I’d like my right shoulder to function the next day, the Knoxx is good for that too. I like the pistol grip and forend it can with as well.

For $100, I think it was a good investment for me.
For the guy that just uses his shotgun for duck and deer, it would be a waste of money.
Everyone has different needs.



*the stock is in the shortest position in both pictures

 

[Shpadoinkel]

...and the pictures are freaking ginormous. Geez.
Sorry about that.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

The very HUGE disadvantage of the high one is that it puts your sights too high. The shotgun is a short range weapon. Short range weapons need LOW lines of sight, not a 3-4" AR-ish line of sight. If you don't know why, PM me or ask here in the thread.

Another disadvantage I see is that if you use a cheap one, the heavy recoil of the shotgun could break it.

Advantages are: is it's adjustable for multiple users' LOPs, and/or one user's needs depending on thickness of clothing worn; and straight back recoil reduces muzzle climb (high ones only).

Disadvantages definitely outweigh the advantages on the high one.

Advantages outweighs the disadvantage on the low one, if you use a quality stock. The Knoxx looks pretty good.

 

[AcceptableUserName]

the more I read up on the Knoxx the more I don't like it. First off, it's 110 bones. Second off, they offer a "PowerPack" system for a mere 40 additional dollars that has a cheek rest and "storage compartment". LOL. I shot the Specops, but only for like 4 rounds on a Winchester Defender. It reduced recoil a bit, but that's not the issue. I can handle the recoil,durability, a good sight picture and comfortable fit are what matter the most. I'm probably going to stick to a full stock and nothing but. The Specops however, does look REALLY super nifty especially on the Pardner above but recoil reduction isn't a priority for me and that's probably the Knoxx's main positive. I also think spending around 200 on a full AR stock conversion is kind of a waste.


How is the cheek weld/sight picture on a reduced LOP/Youth type stock, such as the hogue or the reduced LOP Speedfeed? I'm very interested in those but I'm worried it'll mess with my stance/sight picture...?

 

[MCgunner]

Sorry, I've yet to find one that works as well for me as Ye Old Standard Stock. All of them I've tried were painful to shoot and impossible for me to get a good weld.

Ditto, plus they're a pain to carry at the ready in the field for hunting. I don't know about assaulting the beaches, maybe they're good for that, but I don't like 'em.

 

[dom1104]

the Knoxx is not a good representation of a AR-style stock.


Its cheapo and gimmicky and has quality issues.


A good representation of an AR-type stock is like MAX100s 982s.




maybe a VLTOR emod stock, something with some heft would be better.

A hogue foregrip and pistol grip, and a enidine shot stock recoil reducer.

But even after you spend ALL this money, do you really have something better than a normal stock? its debatable.

 

[HardShell]

... How is the cheek weld/sight picture on a reduced LOP/Youth type stock, such as the hogue or the reduced LOP Speedfeed? I'm very interested in those but I'm worried it'll mess with my stance/sight picture...?

The two of my 870s I sent off to WC/ST for mods came back with black synth. reduced-LOP stocks and I prefer them to any PG stock I've tried so far (again, I haven't given the SpecOps its fair chance yet).

They suit my stance and sighting very well indeed, but I'm a "defensive carbine" guy and tend to "crowd" a long-gun with my stance/hold anyway, so YMMV.

 

[FAS1]

I don't have an adjustable AR style stock, but I do have a 1201FP that incorporates a pistol grip. It handles very well and have been able to access steel plates very quickly in shotgun side matches in the past. Seems to fit me very well and is all original including the rifle sights.

 

[Youngster]

How is the cheek weld/sight picture on a reduced LOP/Youth type stock, such as the hogue or the reduced LOP Speedfeed? I'm very interested in those but I'm worried it'll mess with my stance/sight picture...?

The Hogue 12" LOP stock is great, it has the best shaping and texture of any conventional stock I've tried and it doesn't seem to interfere with sightlines any. It puts my face borderline uncomfortably close to my grip hand though, and I've got a short neck.


I usually run mine with a Limbsaver slip on pad on top of the stock pad, this adds 1" to LOP and makes for a larger and softer area against my shoulder. The stock pad is both a little small and not so soft if you're shoot a lot of heavy loads in one session like I usually do.

Another option to consider is the Knoxx Compstock, this is basically a Hogue stock with a mechanical recoil reduction mechanism built in, the LOP is 13.5". I probably would have gone that way if I would have been able to check one out beforehand.

 

[AcceptableUserName]

anyone think heavy recoiling rounds (3 inch slug/00) may drive a shell holder into someones nose on a hogue reduced LOP? lol

 

[Youngster]

^^^

It doesn't for me, I just don't like having my hand that close to my face like that, an extra 1" or 1.5" sits a lot better with me.

 

[AcceptableUserName]

I mean I'm no Toucan Sam, but a bop on a nose due to a 3 inch 000 round wouldn't feel too fabulous

 

[ShowMe2]

Definitely agree with Dave Mc on this one. Our department went to the AR-type stock due to space issues in the patrol vehicles. It was a disaster...the girls complained about the recoil, and we had serious point of impact issues.

We went back to the Speed Feeds and haven't looked back since.

 

[bigalexe]

Honestly for everyone thats complaining about sight picture I think your forgetting every individual has a different body. It took me a good 4 months to find a stock that allowed me to get it into my shoulder and still maintain a proper sight picture. 90% of the regular wood stocks out there would not work for me due to an odd body frame.

I got a Knoxx and after 5 shots I still wasn't lining up correctly. A stock change is not an instant change that should drop in, it requires practice. It may take 50 shells to find the exact right anchor point and sight line.

Point being: Everyone who says "I shot 5 shells and it sucks" has not done enough serious testing to really make a conclusion. Please stop bashing something you haven't even taken the time to properly try.

 

[Mylhouse]

I have the exact Choate PG stock that FAS1 has on my 1201FP. I couldn't be happier. It fits me like a glove, much better than the standard factory stock. It also greatly decreases felt recoil. Best $82.50 I've spent in awhile.

As far as the Knoxx stock goes, I've tried them on a Mossberg 500 and a 870, and they make a huge difference with heavy buckshot and slug loads. They are a little funky looking, but they work like a charm.