JJFitch
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I think that's a good thing.
Fewer bad habits to overcome.
I agree but that's not the subject of this thread!
I think that's a good thing.
Fewer bad habits to overcome.
With the modernization of warfare and the modernization of the armed forces following the Dick Act of 1903. The militia system as a whole has been fully supplanted and replaced with the modern police force.
Look at the history of the NRA and CMP. The NRA was originally a sports shooting organization designed by former Union Officers that saw how pitiful Union Recruits were with firearms during the war. The CMP was similar with Roosevelt's experience during the Span-Am War. The goal of both organizations was to improve the basic skills of the average American.
The regulated militia in centuries past was the main body that the political system called upon to restore law and order. Prior to the advent of the modern police force, it was the militia that was called upon to restore order when Riots happened. It was the militia that backed up the local town marshal or sheriff. But as tine progressed after the Civil War, the militia units became informal drinking clubs and boys organizations for the socially connected. This all came to a head during the Span-Am....
All the while, your average American was willfully unable to actually perform maritally.
So professional standing organizations are formed both within the military and outside of it with police agencies.
And with that... the trend further continued along due to urbanization that most people are inadequately trained and knowledgeable in handling firearms properly.
Anyways....
The intent of the 2nd Amendment was simple. Each person has the right and civic duty to defend hearth and home from domestic troubles like thieves and also deal with more serious matters like despotism both at home and abroad.
The question is are they properly educated in doing so? Both physically with a firearm and in terms of thd civic lessons regarding proper function of government and inalienable rights?
For loads of information about the origins of the 2A! Examines every word and provides its meaning. Just what we need when standing our ground when discussing the 2A with the "anti's"!
I happen to know a great many "average American gun owners, and haven't come across any that express, or behave in a way, that indicates they possess this sort of belief. We, the enlightened, are probably guilty of believing that we are far more knowing and pragmatic about gun ownership, but the fact remains, the average American gun owner is probably pretty pragmatic about his/her reason for owning a gun and doesn't harbor the illusion the gun endows them with any magical power. The average American gun owner, however, is probably fairly ignorant of how the gun functions, and unless he/she has availed him/herself of training, no doubt simply thinks of the gun as something to be broken out in case of a dire emergency, but really doesn't believe anything bad will ever happen to them.The average American gun owner today buys and owns a gun as a magic talisman with the belief that it wards away the energy of bad people and endows the holders with super magical nearly fantastical cosmic powers.
Your average gun owner has no understanding of tactics, training, the laws, safety, etc... Your average gun owner is pretty much a safety hazard both physically and legally speaking. No, the average gun owner is just an average person that probably rarely touches his/her gun(s). They are no more a "safety hazard" than any other citizen. Arfcom and other forums in the grand scheme of things are a very small groups of people. Dunno, don't care; haven't been there for a long while, not gonna trash the place, but IME there's little reasoned or civil discourse to be had there. Most are very passionate about the 2nd Amendment and guns themselves. One would hope those who participate in firearms discussion forums are...
Your average American gun owner is about as politically active as a snail in a bowl of salt. What's your point here? The average AMERICAN CITIZEN is not politically active.They aren't. You're lucky if they vote. But there is a huge portion of gun owners that do vote. And those that do vote, guns aren't an issue for them. Let's just disagree to disagree here. Most gun owners I know (for whom guns are important) are single-issue voters.
They don't compete, they don't train, they don't get politically active, etc....Yeah, I think we've flogged that dead equine enough during the lifetime of this forum.
Gun ownership does not automatically equal 2nd Amendment Activism and Enthusiasm. Why would anybody think that it does? Plenty of gun owners are anti-gun or indifferent. Not to be flippant, but you're just now figuring this out?That's your average gun owner.
The Communists butchered my family in Cuba.... anyways.
I recall back in the late 90s and early 00s being the only guy at the range with a AR-15 and 30rd mags. I was looked at with vitriol and curiosity at the same time by Boomers. It was weird.
Now I show up with my milsurpls and fudd guns and the Millennials and Gen Z Kids look at me with the same vitriol and curiosity that the Boomers gave me. But it is because I have something with a wood stock and blued steel.
The grabbers are playing a generational game and looking at having time on their side.
There's a little blue pill for that (I'm told).All the while, your average American was willfully unable to actually perform maritally.
C'mon, now - I find that hard to believe. I take blued steel and walnut to the range, and the younger guys are clamoring all around me wanting to shoot my "old school" revolvers and lever actions. I just don't see this.Now I show up with my milsurpls and fudd guns and the Millennials and Gen Z Kids look at me with the same vitriol and curiosity that the Boomers gave me. But it is because I have something with a wood stock and blued steel.
Dude, we've been talking about the state of public education in this country for years now in the forums. It's all about the nanny state indoctrination; it wasn't started as a "generational game" (whatever that it) because the politicians weren't playing the long game and worried about their legacies -- it has simply been about control, here and now.The grabbers are playing a generational game and looking at having time on their side.
Yeah; once people have guns, they tend to want to keep them. Not a bad thing for us.i'm fully aware of the "arming the enemy" viewpoint, where many do not want all the suburban karens and antifa blm etc to buy guns. I have a somewhat nuanced view.
The average American gun owner today buys and owns a gun as a magic talisman with the belief that it wards away the energy of bad people and endows the holders with super magical nearly fantastical cosmic powers.
I grew up in Austin and the attitudes there are similar to what I see now, living in northern Virginia. It's hard to generalize on a statewide basis.I guess deep red Texas is different from the rest of the United States.
It's all about the nanny state indoctrination; it wasn't started as a "generational game" (whatever that it) because the politicians weren't playing the long game and worried about their legacies -- it has simply been about control, here and now.
Not every part of Texas is deep Red; there are some VERY deep BLUE parts as well; one or two more election cycles and the corruptness of the Left will have taken over.Around my parts every person I know that's a gun owner is an enthusiast or close to it. When I say enthusiast I mean as follows:
Owns at least 2 AR pattern rifles
EDC Glocks or 1911s
Hunts just about every day (necessary predator and hog control)
Are staunch conservatives
Have proper firearms training
I guess deep red Texas is different from the rest of the United States.
No, it wasn't a "takeover." Many of the ideas were good, and did much to erase the notions that only the wealthy and privileged obtained higher education, while the middle and lower class either learned a trade or became laborers. The '50s came along bringing a new cultural conservatism and progressive education was widely repudiated and fell apart as a movement. Of course, later, the soccer moms discovered Montessori schools, the '70s happened, and we swung back the other way.This is were we disagree; there was a systematic takeover of the American education system that started no later than Wilson's time in the White House, and probably before that. At first it was "progressives", like Wilson, whose hubris, instilled at Yale or Harvard, caused them to believe the average American was a total idiot, whose life needed to be managed from cradle to grave. It became a surety once they got their hooks in the school systems and the PTAs.
It absolutely was started as a generational effort by the progressives. Eventually they were infiltrated by globalists and communists.
It turned out that gun control did not play well among the Tejanos of South Texas, and that's one reason why the Democrats got a drubbing in the state. (They thought they had the Latino vote in the bag.)Not every part of Texas is deep Red; there are some VERY deep BLUE parts as well; one or two more election cycles and the corruptness of the Left will have taken over.
Gun ownership does not automatically equal 2nd Amendment Activism and Enthusiasm. Plenty of gun owners are anti-gun or indifferent. That's your average gun owner.