Lets see some sporterized Mosins

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If you have a pic of a Mosin Nagant that's been sporterized in any way let's see it. Mine is a 1937 Tula ex Spanish civil War rifle that appears to have been "done" in the 60's. When i saw this rifle hanging on a pawnshops wall I just had to have it. LOL it actually has "Made in U.S.S.R." stamped on the reciever. HOW COOL IS THAT!

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com'mon. why? its really a lose lose. a military rifle is destroyed, and a sub par "sporter" is made.


il try not to 'jack your thread. i did see a nice "sporter" i only say nice becuase the wood was awesome.
 
Why not? Everybodies interest are different. If you don't like don't look.
The rifle looks good. Even sporterized rifles have a history.
 
i had nothing to do with it,but i have seen '03s made into lamps. on the other hand i have seen MNs for $27 not fit for firewood and jack handles revived. i don't know what to say.
 
How does it shoot


Rather well in spite of the badly pitted sewer pipe bore. Rusty pits on 100% of the bore from the chamber to crown. The below group was fired at 100 yds using 180grn S&B SP ammo with the Iron sights

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Ok. Here's the plan. All of us purists are gonna filibuster this thread.

I'll start.

Cut Down Mosin Nagants

While some Mosin Nagants did have the barrels cut down at various times to upgrade them to a newer model, or to create a new model, this was not typical until after WWII. The original M91 Infantry rifle has a 31.5" (including the threaded portion inside the receiver) barrel and these are still relatively common in spite of wartime losses over decades of combat service. Understandably some confusion results from the fact that the less common M91 Dragoon and M91 Cossack rifles were built at some of the same arsenals during some of the same years. They are also very similar with the primary difference being a shorter barrel at 28.75". However, M91 Infantry rifles were not cut down to create the M91 Dragoon and M91 Cossack rifles. They were intended for two different types of troops, infantry and mounted, and there was a need for both. While the shorter rifles did begin production a few years after the Infantry model and continued in production for several years after Infantry production ended, it was not considered an "improvement" as that term is typically understood.

The M91 Cossack was phased out relatively early but the M91 Dragoon evolved into the M91/30 rifle which became the standard infantry rifle. The barrels of the two models are the same length (28.75") and this reflected the worldwide tendency toward shorter rifles for infantry. While many Dragoon rifles were upgraded to M91/30 specifications this involved little more than replacing the front and rear sights. It did not require the barrel to be cut down because they were already the same length. M91 infantry rifles were not typically cut down and upgraded to M91/30 specifications. If an M91/30 is dated prior to 1926 when M91 Infantry rifle production ended then it most likely was once a Dragoon rifle. There are rare exceptions and the only way to know is if the rifle is from an arsenal that did not produce Dragoon rifles. For more information on the Dragoon upgrades see the Ex-Dragoon or Prototype M91/30? article below.

The next evolution of the Mosin Nagant rifle in the Soviet Union was the M38 carbine which has a barrel length of 20.25". These were produced concurrently with the M91/30 and were intended for rear echelon forces and those who didn't typically fight with a rifle, but needed one for defensive situations, such as artillerymen. M38 carbines were not cut down from M91/30s and certainly not M91 Infantry or Dragoon rifles. Virtually all M38 production was during WWII and if there were a shortage of carbines then Infantry rifles would have been issued in their place rather than wasting precious manpower cutting them down. In 1943 a need developed for a short handy carbine that accepted a bayonet for urban fighting as the Soviets forced the Germans to retreat. The M44 evolved from the M38 and is essentially the same but with an attached folding bayonet. These were new production and not cut down from earlier rifles either. Occasionally M44s, and even less commonly M38s, are found with older hexagonal style receivers which were not produced after 1936. In these cases the carbines were not cut down from the older rifles, but rather the older receiver was fitted with a new barrel and used to build a carbine. There are also M91/30s built in this manner with new barrels on older receivers.

During the Cold War Mosin Nagant rifles were cut down in two different operations. The first was done in Czechoslovakia where M91 rifles were shortened to carbine length with a 20.25" barrel. These are known as the M91/38 among US collectors and as the M91/44 in Europe. It is known that M91 Infantry and M91 Cossack rifles were used because there are examples from arsenals that only produced the Infantry rifle and others with the Cossack "Ka3" mark still on the barrel. It is assumed that Dragoon rifles were also cut down, but there is no way to be sure unless one surfaces that is dated after the end of M91 Infantry rifle production. It is also possible that some M91/30s were used in this project, but none have been verified. The M91/38 has the original M91 rear sight removed and it is replaced with a carbine rear sight of the same type as M38s and M44s. The front sight is mounted to a sleeve over the barrel that is made from an M44 front sight/bayonet lug sleeve with the bayonet lug turned off. These are easily identifiable by the older barrel markings and the Czech arsenal marks on the receiver and barrel.

The second instance where Mosin Nagants were shortened involved M91/30s but the location of the arsenal that performed the work is not known. The project was presumably done, or at least begun, in 1959 as the barrels have "1891/59" added to the typical marks. Because of this the model is known as the M91/59 among US collectors. The majority of the rifles used were M91/30s although M91/59s dated prior to 1930 are known. It is presumed that these were Dragoons that were upgraded to M91/30 specifications and later cut down. However, it's certainly possible that they went straight from Dragoon configuration to M91/59 configuration. The M91/59 is the same length as the M38 and M44 carbines with a 20.25" barrel and retains the longer M91/30 rear sight base and leaf with the graduations above 10 (1,000 meters) removed.

In summary, with the exception of M91/38s and M91/59s, Mosin Nagant rifles were not typically cut down to create other models. Many were upgraded and improved over the years, but shortening the barrel was not part of the process with rare exceptions.

- Borrowed from here.
 
I wish my M44 was sporterized, just so I could show it off and annoy the 'purists' :evil:

Alas, except for CAI's electropenciling, it looks exactly the way it did in 1948.
 
Haven't done anything with mine yet except the ATI stock, but the barrel will lose 6" and the sights will at least be replaced with some decent peeps. I may turn down the bolt and add a scope. Any purists who object can save their breath and KMA...
 

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Any purists who object can save their breath and KMA...

ya WOO GET R'DONE!! WOOO. great attitude. :scrutiny:


that aside

what do you gain by doing a hack job. the rifles arnt known for thier accuracy. the round isnt the best for hunting. the action is crude and simple. the only benifit is cheap surplus ammo for target shooting.. by the time you spend the money on a new stock, turn down bolt handle, scope mount. new front sight you could have bought an 8mm mauser. arguably a better action, considered more accurate, and just as cheap to shoot. or you could put the money towards an actual sport rifle, in a caliber more appropiate for hunting.

you take a rifle that has value as a whole object, hack it up and make a sub par target rifle.
 
I've owned a bunch and I've Never Bubbad one....

But I have seen a few very nice ones. These were professionaly gunsmithed and by no way worked on by Hacksaw Hank. Back around 1975 my gunsmith showed me one He had just finished when I was in his shop picking up my rebarreled FN Supreme Mauser. The execution was flawless. Things I rember about it were the exqusite stock, the custom bolt handle and the new 3X Lyman All-American in an Echo side mount. If I ran across it today I'd snatch it up in a second. Sorry Hoppy, Id own it and be willing to take the heat..........Essex
 
Hoppy590

Some people like muscle cars, some like imports, guys like me like trucks. You can call it a lose-lose but my scout scoped and sporterized Mosin is a pretty useful rifle and I had fun doing it. Isn't that what counts? I think Krochus has a pretty rifle there.
 
Hi. My name's Patrick and I'm a Milsurp Purist.

Anymore, my purism only extends to my guns. I used to get all worked up over anyone modifying any milsurp, but now, for the most part, I really don't care.

It looks like someone did a pretty good job on Krochus' rifle.

A run of the mill M44 or 91/30 isn't a collectible prize. They're dirt cheap and very plentiful. If Krochus went on to say that he had the gun made from a 1917 Westinghouse receiver, I'd probably cringe and have to spend some time in Milsurp Purist Rehab.

But in the end, the true purpose of the gun is to bring happiness to its owner, and if that happiness can be achieved by sporterizing it, have at 'er!
 
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1917 Sestroryetsk with both eagles and a good bore that some jackass chopped and did a halfassed job welding the front sight back on backwards. Propane torch-and-a-hammer viagra bolt.

I scrounged up a stock from another abomination and made it look decent. Gonna put a brake on it, and at least then it will be a serviceable and not hideously malformed rifle, but I sure wish they had left it alone like my other four Sessys.
 
il be honest. i looked at that picture. first thing i saw was the stepped rear leaf base. and fainted. :p

still a shame. atleast your not to blame for it.
 
There are some people who would get bent out of shape if somone carved their initials into a US P38 Can Opener... ignore those who say you shouldn't sporterize because it has military signifigance.
 
Theyre Mosin Nagants, they arent Tsar Nicholas' II's mosin nagant. there have been hundreds of thousands made.

If they were historical relics they wouldnt be $90.

And Clipper, how is that stock working for you?
 
Well, I have no idea what the forces exerted on the barrel or their direction, but for minute of deer, it's fine...About 3-4" offhand at 100 yards with the S&B 147gr FMJ rounds. I intend it to be my foul-weather deer rifle, for when I don't want to expose my new M-70 featherweight. I started with a matched number gun with a decent bore. I expect that free-floating the barrel will tighten up those groups. I once had a sporterized Remington hex I picked up in a pawnshop 30 years ago that had been wood restocked, hacksawn and had a broken ejector. Got it crowned, added Williams sights and a new ejector and it would shoot 3/4" groups om Williams Gunsight's 80-yard range with the Norma soft point pointed boattail loads. Wish I still had it...
 
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