Let's settle this caliber thing once and for all

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cjanak

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First, let’s remember that caliber is all that matters. Skill level, barrel length, bullet type and weight, powder, local hunting conditions etc. are completely irrelevant.

If you use less than a .30 caliber weapon to hunt deer inside 150 yards:
-You are a wimp that can’t stand recoil.
-You take pleasure in causing animals a slow, painful death.
-You are quite likely a member of the silly and childish tacticool club.
-You are probably a poacher
-You are an unsuccessful hunter, because anything less than .30 cal usually bounces right off of deer hide.
-You are an arrogant fool that vastly overestimates your marksmanship.
-The “systematic” evidence favoring your position consists of the time your Momma’s cousin’s daughter instantly killed a 12 point buck from 175 yards out while shooting uphill in a raging snowstorm with a .22 Short… while blindfolded.
-You can’t possibly understand why anybody would use a .30 caliber or larger.
-You don’t deserve to call yourself a hunter.

If you use a .30 caliber or greater to hunt deer inside 150 yards:
-You use a big gun in a futile attempt to make up for you physical, mental and or romantic shortcomings.
-You are a great big mean bully with extraordinary levels of testosterone.
-You can’t hit the broad side of a barn because it’s a proven fact that nobody can handle that kind of recoil.
-You take pleasure in wasting meat as most of the deer you manage to shoot are blown to smithereens.
-You use a big gun because you have no ability to exercise self control with respect to shot selection.
-The “systematic” evidence favoring your position consists of the time your best friend’s brother in law’s granddaddy lost a doe that he shot 17 times in the heart and head with a .243 from 10 yards out.
-You can’t possibly understand why anybody would want to use less than a .30 caliber firearm.
-You don’t deserve to call yourself a hunter.

I’m sure I left a few things off these lists, so feel free to add on. ;)
 
big-game caliber

Elmer Keith, who had more actual experience than all of us put together, wrote often that he had seen 30-06 simply fail to do the job too often, and the game was lost even with extensive tracking.

What the cartridge can do is different than what the MAN can do. As far as .22 for deer, I don't think Elmer would even talk to a man suggesting such a thing. Sure, the cartridge can do it, but rarely could the man do it. There are just too many variables in a hunt.

KeithCarter
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The only acceptable rifle has an axle, wheels, and muzzle flash that would sear a wheat field . . . on the "less side," I prefer a .50 BMG necked-down to take a phonograph needle . . .
 
Help Me .

Hey There ;
Yep. You are right. I'm a wimp. I don't like getting beat up by my gun.

My .270 win. hurts bad as it is. But with the 150 grain Balistic tip ? I get the feeling you may have told one too many stories at the camp fire.

The .270 win. will drop anything the .30 cals will. But you may believe anything you wish. All of our .30 cals are very well suited for deer. SO are the .270s..... .243s...... and most all of the 6mm.... .257s.....
You must hunt east of the river. And south of the lakes....

DEAD DEER ARE DEAD DEER.
 
I'm not sure what caliber my finger is but I just point at em and yell bang the deer drops like a rock. :D:D:D

I couldn't help myself I just had to steal that of a chuck norris joke.
 
Wow !

Hey thats funny.

My kids and their buds all call me CHUCK. I guess I must kind of look like him.
They say I act like him , but I don't think so.
 
Quote: <David Alan Coe>
'I was drunk the day my ma first took me out huntin'. We climbed that deer stand in the raaaiinn. But before I could get my sights on a big ol' buck, it got runned over by that dang ol' traainnnn.'
Yeah my 30-06 semi-auto is probably overkill, but i've never had one run away and get lost either !:neener:
 
There Y ago.

Hey there :
Jason has it right. If a guy or gal wants to hunt with a .30 Cool.
No problem. May be over kill may be not. Very nice choice IMO.
But to come out and say the other guy is wrong using a smaller caliber ???/
Thats pushing it some. ONLY on the Web or in a gun store do ya here that kind of stuff.
 
Good chuckle. You showed us that evidence backs everything and that evidence disproves everything.

Happy hunting, your mileage may vary. :)
 
Anybody here see Fisrt Blood? Remember how Rambo jumped out of the tree to get that hog?

That's how I roll.

And out in West Texas, the shorter trees mean less of a jump.
 
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For those that question the might .30-06:
This is an Exit Wound resulting from a .30-06 Remington Core Lokt 150 Grain JSP bullet. This came from the right hand side completely through the left front shoulder. The bone was completely shattered, and we couldn't really harvest the meat from that area unless I wanted "something crunchy" as my buddies had put it.

That hole is about the size of a meaty fist.

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Damned if we do; damned if we don't. But yeah, I think you pretty well summed it up! :)

Your very helpful guide does beg the question, though, of what do you say about a person who uses a .299 wildcat on the .30-06 case?

Anybody here see Fisrt Blood? Remember how Rambo jumped out of the three to get that hog?

That's how I roll.

And out in West Texas, the shorter trees mean less of a jump.

Hee hee. :D
 
Your very helpful guide does beg the question, though, of what do you say about a person who uses a .299 wildcat on the .30-06 case?​

Interesting question. I would say that both lists apply in that case. So a person using a .299 wildcat on the .30-06 is the likely very worst of the wretched.

;)
 
If you use a .30 caliber or greater to hunt deer inside 150 yards:
-You use a big gun in a futile attempt to make up for you physical, mental and or romantic shortcomings.
i like 223 ,doe's that mean i'm romantic;)
 
Very cool thread! I guess what strikes my funny bone is that you're spot-on re: the comments that I've heard over the years.
 
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