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AAAAHHH -

Just figured it out.

It is a conspiracy to turn ammunition into currency.

Therefore, the RKBA transforms

Into Currency Reform.

And vanishes, as originally framed.

There you go, lads and lassies.

Now how is that for supreme paranoia?


(This is tongue in cheek, by the way)


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It can happen. It did happen. I saw it. During WWII all ammo production was dedicated to military ammo and factories in other industries were converted to ammo production. Whatever ammo you had on Dec. 7, 1941 had to last you till sometime in 1946 when production resumed.
 
My grandpa would tell me stories of guns and ammo during the great depression and WWII, and with guns and ammo it was mostly the same event. Folks on farms, including the one my grandpa grew up on, started fabricating their own powder and smooth bore BPs. Get a bunch of muck from the pig pen and horse stable. Take a drum, fill it with said muck, let it sit out in the sun for a few weeks and dry out, poke holes in said bottom of the barrel and run water through it. You end up with Urea. Boil the water and dunk the pot with the boiled water in it in a cool larger pot of water to quickly cool the pot and said water in side. Do this a dozen times or so and potassium nitrate crystals start to form.

Get your wood ash and make sure it's real fine. Find an artesian well or sulphur spring(same thing, and they are fairly common in Florida, seen them in Wekiva Springs). Boil and cool it like with the Urea.

Then it's a matter of finding a recipe. No it won't be as good as store bought stuff. Yes it will be incredibly unstable and have a low shelf life on a good day. Folks around back during the depression didn't have bows and slings for small game so you made do as my grandpa said.

In a perfect world you'd have to figure out how to legally make Triple-N based Cordite. Nitroglycerine, Nitrocellulose, Nitroguinidine(spelling), graphite, petroleum gelly, (the chemical used in nail polish remover I can't remember), lead styphanate, so basically it'd take a lot to make it happen.
 
Although I wouldn't put anything past them.

I still see Lake City 2009 193 ammo hitting the shelves. Which on one hand makes me curious as they are claiming shortages, so why is it being released? The only logical answer is, they must have more in stock than the gov't is buying. So, why the claim of a shortage?

Typical gov't situation.

I just keep buying it as long as it's available and at a reasonable price. Just like I always have. And I will expect the worst from them and hope for the best, just like I always have. I still live by the lesson I learned in boy scouts......Be Prepared, it saves on the panic.
 
please keep in mind that the military's current ammo consumption is fulfilled easily by merely two plants - one of which that does not operate to full capacity, according to what I was told.

The only possibility would be if every LE agency decided to buy a mega-bulk amount of ammo, assuming they could afford it without bankrupting themselves.

Also keep in mind that we're a capitalist economy and that anyone else will happily jump in not only to grab contract money for such an order, but also to supply the extremely large civilian market as well.

Based on the latter two, any such scheme would mostly be downright impossible on a permanent scale. Even if an ammo shortage of such magnitude were to come, most of us wouldn't notice, because chances are we'd be on the battlefield, being issued said ammo in order to feed our guns in what would have to be the greatest war of human history.
 
The Dems are going to lose enough seats in the House and Senate next year without bothering gun owners. Do you really think the White House or Congress really want 70 million angry gun owners showing up on Election Day?
 
So to recap,

We have a poster who has posited a vast conspiracy of how ALL the ammunition in the US is manufactured by one company (possibly just poor grammatical construction)

put ALL the ammo and component companies, now allegedly owned by ATK (Alliant Techsystems, Inc)

How said company has been directed and ordered by Uncle Sam that they will be the sole providers for the "LARGEST AMMUNITION ORDER EVAAAAAAAAH" and not to produce any for the peons,

on notice for 2010, that the US govt will be buying THE LARGEST AMMUNITION ORDER in US history, and will demand so much ammuntion that ATK will not be able to produce any civilian ammo or components UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE

That this ties to an objective NOT to purchase and shoot ammunition but to control => restrict => confiscate civilian firearms ownership (extrapolating the OP's thesis a little)

This could be the first step to some new backdoor gun control. Have all the guns you want, but you won't be getting anymore ammo soon.

This information is from someone the OP talked to who heard this from someone else, who may (or may not ) be an employee of said Uber Ammo Manufacturer (UAM).

I was given this info from a person who allegedly spoke with an ATK employee. Might be blowing smoke, but might be true

That this grand conspiracy will be supported by the government aiding said UAM by either illegal search and seizure of commercial property or new import restriction law AND supporting (again illegally) the commercial purchase and absorption of any and all other ammunition manufacturers by UAM.

Hopefully, new domestic ammo and component companies will rise up to supply us, along with healthy imports (if an anti-gun adiministration doesn't stall things at the docks, etc), and those companies will resist being absorbed by ATK.

In support of this thesis the OP posts a document scrape from a solicitation for tender from the Gov (linky attached below)

https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=c2d49b9bb0e5b55f3e7efdbc783e00fd&tab=core&_cview=1

Upon perusal this is

A contract that is an open tender to ANY manufacturer, not solely UAM
A contact to supply ammunition to the DHS, specifically the USSS
For quantities of .357 SIG, .380, 9mm, .223, 7.62x39 and 12 gauge
With a maximum contract spend of $9.5 million (not billion) over 5 years

All without the market getting wind of this massive capital injection....'course it could have been all hidden inside the $1 billion dollar contract ATK won from Airbus on the 17th

Tah Dah......conspiracy proven.................

ps Happy Thanksgiving
 
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I really do apologize. You guys have convinced me, it's probably not true. I'm just going to get a couple more 8 pounders of powder, and some more primers. I can always use them. Cast my own bullets, for most of my guns. Makes me wonder WHY the guy my brother spoke with told him the stuff about ATK. Maybe it WAS just to keep demand up. Moderators, you can close this thread. Nothing good can come of it at this point.
 
Sharps, don't you love how a simple hypothetical can be taken to the extreme, read into, and shredded by "those of us" who have the "common sense?" (E.g., Mandolin.) I mean, I sit around and daydream these "what if's" up as well - largely to consider how I may react to them. It's fun to think about these things. But there are always some people who cannot appreciate the philosophical (for lack of better term) nature of these examples. I get it bro. Thanks for posting.
 
I wish that I had the resources just to do this: tally up all the U.S. Government's 2010 agency purchases of small arms ammunition, for the DOD, and all the other government agencies that require ammo. Unfortunately, there are too many agencies, and they all operate independently. Some even have hidden budgets (Secret Service, Cia, NSA, etc). We will probably NEVER know what they spend. Even the Navy SEALS get an inordinate amount of ammo compared to the other naval sections, and the Navy doesn't like to advertise that, or the Marine Corps gets jealous. I'm glad a few people get what I pitched. I am sorry that some need clarity that I cannot offer. For my critics, just regard this whole thing as a "fantasy scenario", and think nothing more of it. I do not mean to offend your sensibilities.
 
When I used to work in Wholesale we carried more ammo than they are talking about here in stock at all times. Hell there were times we had a few million dollars worth of 5.56 sitting on pallets just in case.
 
Actually, I have it on good authority (friend of my Bro-in-laws ex-wifes cousin) that there is a massive government conspricy to ban production of tin foil. When people can't get tinfoil, they won't be able to make hats. Then we'll all be controlled by microwave radiation from CIA space craft. Without our tinfoil hats we'll be totally at "thier" mercy. What ever you do, don't go outside. If you do go out,put a skillet or pan over your head. I have to go now. The CIA is tracking all my computer use and phone calls. I'm one of only a few people who really knows whats going on. :uhoh:
 
You're funny, Ky Larry. If you sudenly disapear, we'll know where you went. We might ever launch a resque mission
 
Pay no attention to KY Larry he doesn't know what he's talking about. If we run out of tinfoil just use aluminum window screen. The holes are small enough that only the Anti's brains will be afflicted and then they will just join us.:D
 
Crap! Screw you guys, I'm headed to Wal Mart for some.... Oh yeah, there's already an ammo shortage. I guess we will all have to sell our children now.
 
Really, I don't think there is a conspirecy to keep us from getting ammo. Why do the anti's need one? The current ammo shortage has been caused and continues to be extended by us, the shooters. Panic buying and hording will continue to cause shortages of ammo and reloading components. As Pogo said:"We have met the enemy, and He is Us."
 
The shortage cracks me up. Browsing around I see all sorts of strange things that were not common before. Like "no backorders". Since when don't companies want any idea of future demand?

I saw 45acp selling online for $8 per round :scrutiny: Local hardware store was selling white box for over a dollar a round. I asked them because I thought it unusual that they would have any in stock.

I don't have to suppose anything because I've already laid up a lifetime supply of componants for myself. Metals are a very good investment right now. Ask anyone whose head is not stuck in the sand.

Semper Paratus.
 
Hey guys the government does not need to put their ammo buys out for bid. With a stroke of a pen the government can purchase ammo sole source from one or all of the ammo companies that could also limit/cut off sales to civilians.

I have for many years maintained a supply of ammo to ward off a situation like we are presently in. I have enough ammo to continue my shooting schedule for at least five (5) years without ever touching my SD/HD ammo. I called it my "Contingency Plan"
 
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Harley Fixer, 9 million rounds is nothing. It's about 2 tractor trailors. From a plant like Lake City, its, at most, a few days of production, on one line of many.

The fact is that procurement money is one year money. If the order was "the biggest evah!" the allocation would be large enough to require Congressional approval, in 2009, which ended September 30.

(man, these DAWIA classes are coming in handy)
 
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I agree with the Sharpsdressedman's reply. I see words like: I think..., I'm not sure but I believe....I may be mistaken but....someone said... allegedly. I see it as a desire to speak up but dont have all the info or maybe none of it! Private postings sometimes require more filtering or reading between the lines than a copy of the New York Times. Also...I think those numbers are small, the contract typical.

I study history, a good indicator ( I feel). Anyone who has been paying attention has been given the opportunity to take action, i.e. stock up on ammo, guns etc. I don't know much but I do know these are interesting times (for lack of a better description), times that warrant paying attention.....
 
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