lever action 357 for the bug out bag?

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i am primarily a pistol and shotgun guy.....i need a decent rifle for my bug out kit. I have an afinity for old west style weapons. my primary pistol is a xd9 and my back up will be a ruger blackhawk convertible ( 9mil/357.) bear in mind with the exception of the xd these are to be mainly bug out weapons..... so rossi has a big loop lever carbine available in 357. I like the looks and the price. but i know little else about it. will it chamber 38.s like the revolver will? What performance can be expected from a 357/38 out of a 16 to 20 inch barrel? ammo sharing is important to me. any feed back would be appreciated.
 
A carbine length .357 Mag will gain around 250 to 500 FPS over a handgun with a normal length barrel, depending on the load used.
Much less difference with .38 Special loads.

As for the big loop lever as used in the movies & TV?
All show and no go.

I would never put one on a SD or hunting lever-gun because they take too much lost monkey-motion to operate the lever fast.

At most an enlarged oval shaped lever like sold by Wild West Guns might be a good idea if you plan to bug out or hunt in freezing cold weather while wearing mittens or gloves!

But I'd sure look hard at a standard lever Marlin 1894 before buying a big-loop Rossi.
http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/1894centerfire/1894CSS.asp

rc
 
Tho I love the Uberti, I would get a Marlin for a bug out rifle. Light. Just as easy to tune. Relativly cheap. Better resale. In addition, I would buy a used one. Get a good price on one made in the early 2000s to 2004. I read a lot of gun forums and I am inclined to believe that quality has declined. If you buy new, I would definitely examine and cycle at length.
The 357 Mag 125gr hp is a devasting round to 25 yards. It will kill at farther disatances. The bug out answer would be to use the 158gr solid in both rifle and pistol. Some recoil in the pistol but negligible in the rifle. At 100 yards i would be very confident in the effectiveness of the rifle. Closer would be a shooters decision.
While I typed this RCM has beat me to it. I am posting anyway. His words have iron in them. Leave the loop.
 
just for grins.
You can easily slick up the Marlin to cycle as fast as you can flick your fingers. Literally.
Shoulder the rifle and find an anchor/spot on the side of the receiver (halfway up the side or lower) for your strong hand thumb to touch. Find a spot that you thumb will identify. Tactile. Raise your strong hand elbow/arm parallel to the ground. When the rifle is really tuned, you can cycle the rifle very fast by simply flicking the fingers.

This guy is shooting a shortened 45 Colt cartridge. As you know we shoot light loads and the short case is more efficient.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RssZK2ljFJw
 
thanks very much for the input guys.....i suspected i might be succumbing to "style over substance"......( a mortal sin in my mind) stay safe folks.....do good and fear no man.
 
I can't comment too much on the lever actions, except to say that I think a 22LR is the best choice; You can carry lots of ammo and they are deadly accurate.

As for the bug-out bag idea, it is pretty dumb. What are you bugging out from? Terrorists that somehow get past our military? People resorting to looting after a natural disaster? These are fantasy situations. Find some other way to justify the purchase of a lever action. ;)
 
I have the Rossi big loop .38/.357 rifle with a 16" barrel. I love it. It's accurate, fun to shoot, and completely reliable with .38s. I did have a couple missfeeds with .357s though.

That being said, I would never include it in a BOB. For that role I have other, longer ranged guns. For my son I gave him a Marlin camp 9 with upgraded wolf recoil spring and buffer, a red dot scope and folding stock.

It compliments the S&W 915 pistol since they use the same mags and ammo. It allows a much higher rate of fire, and ammo is cheaper and lighter.

It also means that resupply is easier. The military and police both use 9mm but only civilians us .38, and not that many of them compared to 9mm.

I think being prepared to evacuate from a civil disturbance (riots), natural disaster (huricane/earthquake), or man made disaster (fire/nuclear war/nuclear accident/terrorist activity) is just good sense. all of those things have occurred fairly recently and are not just possible, but likely to occur again. Being ready to leave the city and get to your dad's place in the country or hunt camp is a good idea, and getting there without getting robbed or showing up empty handed is an important bit of security for me.

It is a much smaller package and will actually fit in a rucksack.

My other son will get my keltec sub2000 9mm and S&W 5906 for the same reasons when he is old enough.

I've loaned the rossi and my Ruger security six to my dad indefinately and he swears they are the best guns he's ever owned. they are a good combination and there's nothing wrong with it, but it's not my top choice.

They do have the advantage of being capable of taking down a deer more reliably than a 9mm, so they have that going for them if it ever comes to that, but I realize that if there were ever a breakdown in society where subsistance hunting became neccesary, so many people would be doing it that there won't be any game anywhere.
 
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I can't comment too much on the lever actions, except to say that I think a 22LR is the best choice; You can carry lots of ammo and they are deadly accurate.

I was also thinking a .22. Why not a Marlin 39A? It would give you a lever action that breaks down so that you can easily transport it in your bug out bag. Don't discount the utility of a .22, especially out of a quality rifle.
 
I was also thinking a .22. Why not a Marlin 39A? It would give you a lever action that breaks down so that you can easily transport it in your bug out bag. Don't discount the utility of a .22, especially out of a quality rifle.

If you have a 22, can shoot, and aren't in the middle of the desert, it would be pretty difficult to starve to death. In a survival situation, I think I'd want a simple bolt action 22 with a bunch of ammo more than anything else firearm related.
 
Pump .357.

Your hands never leave their firing positions while cycling the action for faster follow up shots (how many lever shotguns are made?).
 
I have always felt, all it takes to do anything is one of everything. So, yes.
 
First, performance. A .357 out of a 16" barrel has as much energy at 100 yards as it it would point blank coming out of a 6" barrel. So if you'd shoot it with a .357 pistol at point blank range then you can shoot it at 100 yards with a lever action rifle. I don't believe the 38 spc gets the same kind of gains but its performance will be enhanced over pistol energy levels.

Next, weapon purpose. I love my Marlin .357 lever. It might make a good bug out/survival weapon depending on what you expect to do with it. If you expect to use it to hunt light to medium game its a good choice. If you plan on fighting off barbarian hordes, not so much.

A .357 SP round is a perfectly able deer round out to about 125 yards. But in a get out of town situation you aren't likely to be hunting deer. A .357 fmj can take rabbit of course or even squirrel if you can head shoot them. As a defensive weapon it wouldn't be my first choice but it wouldn't be my last. The rate of fire and reload rate isn't great but realistically very few people are going to attack anybody that has the means to fight back. But if they DO decide that a firefight is worth it then you're gonna wish you had a semiauto weapon.

Another round you might want to consider would be the 22mag. You can use it to take small game at much greater distance than a 22LR, the ammo is still super compact and light, and you can get it in a variety of platforms.

Another option would be a small single shot bolt rifle in 22mag like this. http://www.crickett.com/product_info.php?products_id=391&osCsid=7p202e92ni69rb2s72hm15k160
3 pounds, you can unscrew 1 screw to remove it from the stock and put it in a pack, synthetic stock, and you can drop a small scope on it. Then if you want a defensive rifle you can carry it as a separate item and not worry about trying to hunt with it.
 
a shooting buddy has that same Marlin, but not the big loop. it's accurate and fast shooting. he took it apart and did a 'slick up' on it. with his admittedly hot handloads it really whacks a steel disc at 100 yds.
also you could have a companion pack the blackhawk and have even more firepower on hand if needed.
as isc nephew and me have marlin camp (mine) and 5903 and he has 915 and ket-tec carbine for bug-out, urban fight, h-d etc.
however I have a great shooting GP100 and keeping an eye out for good buy on the marlin lever - or whatever brand was to become available maybe as loaner to a companion or relative.
friends with firearms are a good idea when the chips are down.
 
the 22. Lr is a given.....however i hadn't given much thought to the 22.mag.....might deserve another look.....definitely a valid point......a sub-2000 has def crossed my radar and is a likely addition.....one reason i'm looking at leverguns is that on my budget my firearms tend to be the ones i can enjoy and tuck into the " uh oh" kit....

As far as it being a "fantasy situation " Smaug....well god willing it will never be a reality for my family but man come on! " terrorists who somehow get past our military/government? you mean like the ones responsible for 9/11 or the U. S. S. Cole?......and looters/rioters....hello post Katrina New Orleans...... i envy your faith in the powers that be but respectfully, i cannot claim to share it. the availability of 357. /38, versus 9 mil is concrete.......i'm just a big fan of the 357. my first hard caliber pistol was a colt lawman mkIII and is still oneof my all time fave weapons....... once again thanks to you all for the feedback......i'm very grateful to have a place to trade info such as this......
 
I'm a big proponent of the "two weapons, one cartridge" concept. IMHO, it's just as practical and logical an idea now as it was back in 1876 when Colt started chambering the SAA for the .44 WCF (.44-40) cartridge to compliment the 1873 Winchester rifles.

I have two pre-Taurus Rossi M92's in .357/.38 Spl.: a standard 20" carbine and a 16" Trapper model. The little Trapper makes about the sweetest little woods-walking companion one could ask for: lightweight, compact, handles beautifully and deadly accurate. Extremely versatile, too. With a simple change in loads it'll handle anything from small game to two-legged predators inside of 125 yds., provided that you do your part right.

I also have an IMI Timberwolf pump in .357 that I wouldn't trade for diamonds. Unfortunately, they're getting to be pretty rare on the used market and quite pricey.

IMO, a Marlin 94 Cs or Rossi M92 is your best bet. I'd avoid the Winchester 1873 copies if using full-power .357 loads with any regularity is something you want to do. They look nifty and all, but I don't believe that their toggle-link action is strong enough to hold up under Magnum pressures and stresses for long, even given modern materials and metallurgy.

IMHO, while a .357 carbine might not be the ideal tool for any particular task, it's sure capable of handling a wider variety of them at least reasonably well than most any other single weapon I can think of offhand.

Also just MO, but in my observation most people can deliver decisive hits faster and more consistently with a carbine than a handgun at almost any range and that becomes even more pronounced as the range increases. Keeping in mind that only hits count, and that any handgun cartridge has a relatively limited amount of energy (compared to a "real" rifle round) to deliver on the target, something that will allow me to put that energy where it will do the most good quicker and more precisely at greater distances would strike me as being a Good Thing indeed.
 
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The Winchester repros are heavy for this requirement. Standing flat on two feet, shooting at steel through a window, they will really run. Packing it for a few miles is something else.
The Winchester repros will handle regular factory mag loads for a long time. You would put too much stress using heavy bullets in the +P or higher range.
An older Marlin with polished internals would be my choice. Built rugged.
 
I may be the odd man here. I want A rifle in A rifle caliber. In A lever that would be 30-30. I don't care for the the idea of haveing A handgun and A rifle of the same caliber.
I would rather carry A .22 handgun for small game and A rifle for large game or self defence. jmho.
 
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