Millamber457
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ok , anyone know where i can find any load data for this powder for my 45/70
LEVERevolution powder for 45/70
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kitsapshooter
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I have not found any yet.
ArchAngelCD
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When the company who sells the powder doesn't supply data for a cartridge/powder combination there is usually a very good reason.
When Hornady went to Hodgdon to develop their Leverevolution powder they made a different blend for every cartridge they were loading. Since the canister powder marketed by Hodgdon couldn't cover all the blends they settled on the blend for the 30-30. The LVR powder on the shelf works very well with the 30-30 and fairly well with the 35 Rem but not much else IMO. Also IMO it's much too slow a powder for use in the 45-70, sorry...
When Hornady went to Hodgdon to develop their Leverevolution powder they made a different blend for every cartridge they were loading. Since the canister powder marketed by Hodgdon couldn't cover all the blends they settled on the blend for the 30-30. The LVR powder on the shelf works very well with the 30-30 and fairly well with the 35 Rem but not much else IMO. Also IMO it's much too slow a powder for use in the 45-70, sorry...
Millamber457
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thanks
i noticed that , i'm just trying to find a good alternative powder for both the thuddy thuddy and the 70 since i use a lot of reloader 7 , and i haven't found any anywhere ! i was kinda hoping there were loads seeing that the shelves have at least a canister or two of it in almost every store in the area
i noticed that , i'm just trying to find a good alternative powder for both the thuddy thuddy and the 70 since i use a lot of reloader 7 , and i haven't found any anywhere ! i was kinda hoping there were loads seeing that the shelves have at least a canister or two of it in almost every store in the area
Lj1941
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Loads for 45/70& 30/30
Hodgdon lists loads for the 45/70 & 30/30 with IMR 3031 and also with IMR 4895. Both are very common powders. I am sure there are others that will be good for both calibers. I only checked for 170 grain loads in the 30/30 and 300 grain loads in the 45/70. The 45/70 loads were for trapdoor models. Go to Hodgdon's website and check it out. It is very user friendly and I am sure you will find a powder that you can use.Where are you located in PA?
Hodgdon lists loads for the 45/70 & 30/30 with IMR 3031 and also with IMR 4895. Both are very common powders. I am sure there are others that will be good for both calibers. I only checked for 170 grain loads in the 30/30 and 300 grain loads in the 45/70. The 45/70 loads were for trapdoor models. Go to Hodgdon's website and check it out. It is very user friendly and I am sure you will find a powder that you can use.Where are you located in PA?
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ArchAngelCD
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I have been using AA5744 mostly in the 45-70 and if you're loading lead bullets in the 30-30 AA5744 will work very well there too.
jgr_lv
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Availability is the current problem
I'm thinking along the same lines as Millamber. Powder of all kinds is very scarce lately, and LVR is one of the few that I see on the store shelves regularly. I'm looking at working up some relatively mild accuracy loads for a 30-40 Krag and wondering if it might be a viable option. I suspect the availability is partly because it's a very specialized powder for a small niche in the reloading world, partly that it's new and not a lot of people have come up with pet loads for it and partly because there's a dearth of published data for it.
The Krag is probably closer to the .308 Win than the .30WCF in case capacity, so LVR may not be a good fit. There are lots of published loads for it using the more popular powders like H4350, H4198 and a lot of the IMR and Alliant powders, but those more popular powders are currently harder to find than 22LR ammunition. There may well be better powders than LVR to load in the Krag, but there are times lately when it seems like I spend more time hunting down components than I do reloading, much less shooting. I'd like to find a safe, reasonably accurate load that uses a powder that's easy to find.
I'm thinking along the same lines as Millamber. Powder of all kinds is very scarce lately, and LVR is one of the few that I see on the store shelves regularly. I'm looking at working up some relatively mild accuracy loads for a 30-40 Krag and wondering if it might be a viable option. I suspect the availability is partly because it's a very specialized powder for a small niche in the reloading world, partly that it's new and not a lot of people have come up with pet loads for it and partly because there's a dearth of published data for it.
The Krag is probably closer to the .308 Win than the .30WCF in case capacity, so LVR may not be a good fit. There are lots of published loads for it using the more popular powders like H4350, H4198 and a lot of the IMR and Alliant powders, but those more popular powders are currently harder to find than 22LR ammunition. There may well be better powders than LVR to load in the Krag, but there are times lately when it seems like I spend more time hunting down components than I do reloading, much less shooting. I'd like to find a safe, reasonably accurate load that uses a powder that's easy to find.
ArchAngelCD
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H414 is the same exact powder as W760 and deliver very similar results as Hodgdon's extreme powder H4350. It's no wonder you like it in the 30-06, IMO all those powders are great in the 30-06.
There are several powders that will deliver acceptable performance in both the 45-70 and 30-30. I mentioned AA5744 above but there is also H4198, IMR4198, IMR3031, H4895, IMR4895, H335, Benchmark and a few others. I would think IMR3031 would be the best choice with H4895 next because you don't want to go too slow with the 45-70 but you still want acceptable performance in the 30-30.
Which bullets are you using in both? Knowing weight and composition in both cartridges would help pick the best compromise.
As for LVR and the 45-70, nothing wrong with contacting Hodgdon and asking them directly. I have done the same several times and they have gotten back to me in a few days with the information I requested.
I am using bullets in the 155 - 180 range but I also have used H414 for 25-35 with 117 grain bullets cause 3031 is hard to find around here.
If the bottle has loading specs for a few calibers I can get it to work but that LVR I could not find in books either. Most places that sell powder have a reloading book sitting someplace. The LVR was sitting at Cabellas and it did not show in the books the H414 was at Bimart and the clerk and I have been BS ing for near a deckade ho he even copied a page out of their manual so I had more to go on then just what was on the bottle.
I was at Cabellas yesterday and they had more numbered powder with numbers that I have never seen.
We all have to get good at using what ever powder is available in our local area and keep ouy eyes peeled for better alternatives.
If the bottle has loading specs for a few calibers I can get it to work but that LVR I could not find in books either. Most places that sell powder have a reloading book sitting someplace. The LVR was sitting at Cabellas and it did not show in the books the H414 was at Bimart and the clerk and I have been BS ing for near a deckade ho he even copied a page out of their manual so I had more to go on then just what was on the bottle.
I was at Cabellas yesterday and they had more numbered powder with numbers that I have never seen.
We all have to get good at using what ever powder is available in our local area and keep ouy eyes peeled for better alternatives.
ArchAngelCD
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LVR was never meant to be an all around powder, it's more of a specialty powder. Like i said above, the LVR on the shelves of the store is the 30-30 formulation and there is a different formulation used by Hornady for each and every LVR cartridge they load for.
Lj1941
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If the OP would tell me where he is located in NE PA it is possible I could point him in a direction where he could possibly find some of the powder he needs.
NWcityguy2
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Hodgdon only lists load recipes for LVR when velocities exceed other commonly available powders. So if it yields the same velocity of another powder they already produce, they won't publish the recipe. It isn't so much that it's a specialty powder, but it is marketed as a specialty powder. If a reloader is comfortable creating their own load data then LVR has a variety of uses.
redbullitt
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I have had good luck with h4198 in 4570. It can be found around here pretty easily. Maybe your area would have some too?
ArchAngelCD
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I agree, I know almost every gun shop in the Wilkes Barre/Scranton/Dickson City and beyond area! lol
Millamber457
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sorry guys i posted then got sick and fell off following the post i put up here . I live near scranton pa , the thing is here i can actually find .22's here , some odd brand names but available . i had asked about the powder because , right now if your not in the shop when it's put on the shelves , the powder you want is Gone ! i figure i will just watch and see if a better choice , becomes available in quantity . and i'll buy enough to make it worth while , and work up good loads with it . I really want to keep my shelves stocked with a few good powders that will cover most of what i shoot , thank you all so far for the advice
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