At this point it appears to be a request only; if that's right, wait him out a bit. There's nothing wrong with taking time to gather pertinent information. And given his original means of communication with you, I'd say your FFL is not in any sweat to get it done immediately.
LGS wants me to change 4473...
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So just got back. Turns out it was a case of ignorance on the clerks part. She didn't know that an Air Force base is considered a city unto itself. I showed her my birthday certificate. She wanted to make a copy, which I declined, but she was otherwise satisfied. Just overly nitpicky on their paperwork, expecting an ATF audit since they transferred owners, and therefore FFLs earlier this year.
But I'm glad I went in to take care of it. They just got a shipment of powder in, so I picked up a pound of pistol/ shotgun powder. Also picked up a couple P-mags and a Ruger P-89.
But I'm glad I went in to take care of it. They just got a shipment of powder in, so I picked up a pound of pistol/ shotgun powder. Also picked up a couple P-mags and a Ruger P-89.
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I'm glad it's been resolved and people learned something all around!
Couple issues here:
1. Changes to official paperwork, including all manner of legal forms, civilian and government, needs to proceed on a very clear basis which starts with WHY the information needs to be changed. The answer can't just be "because we don't like it". There has to be a real, legal justification for changing the information and it needs to be specifically called out. For example, "We have a notification in writing from the ATF that military institutions are not acceptable for birth place" or "Because AFB is not a commonly recognized abbreviation in the majority of civilian use, this must be spelled out as 'Air Force Base'". Or specific wording in the law which can be shown. Or an ATF audit finding in writing.
2. Once you sign a document, especially a legal, federal document like a Form 4473, you are saying, in legal terms, the information that was present on the document at the time you put your signature on it is correct. Altering the document afterwards means you're altering official paperwork. NOT GOOD.
These guidelines are good for ANY kind of paperwork you may put your name to. Changing anything after you've put your John Hancock on it isn't kosher, at the very least...and may be outright illegal as well. There are almost always some proper way of dealing with the errors. It may be as simple as a one-line through the error and initial/date next to the correction, it may be an official amendment form, it may be a complete reissue of the paperwork...whatever.
But do it right, whatever it may be.
I'm sure Frank Ettin can be far more specific about the shades of legalese involved, but in general I'm sure this will cover the issue in almost all cases.
Your gut instinct on this issue was spot on.
Couple issues here:
1. Changes to official paperwork, including all manner of legal forms, civilian and government, needs to proceed on a very clear basis which starts with WHY the information needs to be changed. The answer can't just be "because we don't like it". There has to be a real, legal justification for changing the information and it needs to be specifically called out. For example, "We have a notification in writing from the ATF that military institutions are not acceptable for birth place" or "Because AFB is not a commonly recognized abbreviation in the majority of civilian use, this must be spelled out as 'Air Force Base'". Or specific wording in the law which can be shown. Or an ATF audit finding in writing.
2. Once you sign a document, especially a legal, federal document like a Form 4473, you are saying, in legal terms, the information that was present on the document at the time you put your signature on it is correct. Altering the document afterwards means you're altering official paperwork. NOT GOOD.
These guidelines are good for ANY kind of paperwork you may put your name to. Changing anything after you've put your John Hancock on it isn't kosher, at the very least...and may be outright illegal as well. There are almost always some proper way of dealing with the errors. It may be as simple as a one-line through the error and initial/date next to the correction, it may be an official amendment form, it may be a complete reissue of the paperwork...whatever.
But do it right, whatever it may be.
I'm sure Frank Ettin can be far more specific about the shades of legalese involved, but in general I'm sure this will cover the issue in almost all cases.
Your gut instinct on this issue was spot on.
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Interesting thread. Thanks for closing the loop and posting the outcome.
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You are not a Japanese Citizen just because you are born there. Also Japan does not recognize dual citizenships.
Glad the OP stuck to his guns. Putting in the nearest city with another zip code would have been incorrect.
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Actually, I'll do one better. Mods, can this one be closed? Situation resolved. No harm, no foul.
Enough!
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