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Liberal Radio Is Planned by Rich Group of Democrats
By JIM RUTENBERG


A group of wealthy Democratic donors is planning to start a liberal radio network to counterbalance the conservative tenor of radio programs like "The Rush Limbaugh Show."

The group, led by Sheldon and Anita Drobny, venture capitalists from Chicago who have been major campaign donors for Bill Clinton and Al Gore, is in talks with Al Franken, the comedian and author of "Rush Limbaugh Is a Big Fat Idiot." It hopes to enlist other well-known entertainers with a liberal point of view for a 14-hour, daily slate of commercial programs that would heavily rely on comedy and political satire.


The plan faces several business and content challenges, from finding a network of radio stations to buy the program to overcoming the poor track record of liberal radio shows. But it is the most ambitious undertaking yet to come from liberal Democrats who believe they are overshadowed in the political propaganda wars by conservative radio and television personalities.

The concern has been around for years: Hillary Rodham Clinton first mentioned a "vast, right-wing conspiracy" in 1998. But the sentiment has taken on new urgency with the rise to the top of the cable news ratings of the Fox News Channel, considered by many to have a conservative slant, and the Republicans' gaining control of the Senate in November. Such events have spurred many wealthy Democrats to explore investments in possible, liberal-skewing media ventures. New campaign finance rules that restrict giving opportunities also gave them further incentive.

The new liberal radio network is initially being financed by the Paradigm Group, of which the Drobnys are the principal partners. Ms. Drobny is the chairwoman of the venture, which is being called AnShell Media L.L.C. Jon Sinton, a longtime, Atlanta-based radio executive, will be its chief executive. He helped start the nationally syndicated radio program of Jim Hightower, the former Texas agriculture commissioner. Liberals had hoped that would be their answer to Mr. Limbaugh, but it was canceled shortly after its start in the mid-1990's.

The failure of Mr. Hightower's show supported the notion of many in radio that liberal hosts do not have what it takes to become successful and entertaining hosts: the fire-and-brimstone manner and a ready-made audience alienated by the mainstream news media it perceives to be full of liberal bias.

Mr. Sinton said the new venture would seek to disprove not only those who doubt liberal hosts can make it in radio, but also those who believe that success in radio depends on an alliance with one of the handful of major distributors or station groups.

The group said it was prepared to go it alone, selling its programming to the individual radio stations rather than go through a middleman. It has an initial investment of $10 million, which radio analysts said was enough to start up. Ms. Drobny said the cash would be placed in a fund that she hopes to grow to at least $200 million within the next year, which she hopes to use to finance other media ventures like the acquisition of radio stations and television production.

"The object of the programming is to be progressive and make a statement that counters this din from the right," Mr. Sinton said. "But we have a solid business plan that shows a hole in the market."

Many conservatives who assert the news media in general is infused with liberal bias say the premise of a liberal radio network is silly to begin with. But liberal Democrats say even if a liberal bias does exist, the mainstream news media strives for balance and fair play. They say their concern is that there are far fewer successful, outright partisan voices on the left than there are on the right.

"I feel like there's a monologue out there," Ms. Drobny said. "I just had this tremendous feeling with great passion that we had to make sure we're heard and make sure having a dialogue in this country of ours."

The list of successful conservative radio hosts is, in fact, fairly long Rush Limbaugh; Sean Hannity; Michael Savage; Michael Reagan. And there is no equivalent list of liberals. Past attempts, such as the programs of Mr. Hightower and Mario Cuomo, have failed.

Some radio executives said they simply did not believe liberal radio could become good business. Among them was Kraig T. Kitchen, chief executive of Premiere Radio Networks, one of the nation's largest radio syndication arms with the programs of Mr. Limbaugh, Mr. Reagan and Dr. Laura Schlessinger, among others. Though Mr. Kitchin said he was a conservative, he also said he would have pursued liberal programs had he thought there was money in them. He ascribes to the popular view in the industry that liberal hosts present issues in too much complexity to be very entertaining — while addressing a diffuse audience that has varying views.


"Individuals who are liberal in their viewpoints can be all-encompassing," he said. "It's very hard to define liberalism, unlike how easy it is to define conservatism. So, as a result, it doesn't evoke the same kind of passion as conservative ideologies do."

Mr. Sinton said he thought past attempts failed because they were not properly executed. He said he believed a big problem for Mr. Hightower was that his program was sandwiched into a schedule crammed with conservatives. "It is very hard to succeed when you throw liberal programming between bookends of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity," he said. "That violates expectations of the listener."

This is why he said he was proposing a full slate of liberally skewing programming with morning, afternoon and early evening shows featuring hosts with as many big names in entertainment as possible.

"This side has failed by going at Rush, and trying to be Rush — you're not going to beat him at his game," Mr. Sinton said. "What really makes this work is tapping into Hollywood and New York and having a huge entertainment component, where political sarcasm is every bit as effective as Rush Limbaugh is at bashing you over the head."

Mr. Sinton acknowledged that his biggest challenge was in getting national distribution for the network. He said he would seek to strike deals with underperforming radio stations in major markets.

Analysts said that while the plan might seem difficult to achieve, it is not impossible. "It is going to be trickier in the top-10 markets, easier in the middle markets, but it will be possible," said Jonathan Jacoby, a radio industry analyst for SunTrust Robinson Humphrey. "There is a case that if they have the right product, they will be able to find distribution."

Talent, of course, will be key, Mr. Sinton acknowledged. A deal with Mr. Franken, the comedian, would help greatly in luring other big names, as well as in gaining distribution. He said he envisioned a daily program featuring Mr. Franken perhaps in the early afternoons (around the same time as "The Rush Limbaugh Show").

A representative for Mr. Franken, Henry Reisch of the William Morris Agency, said Mr. Franken was seriously considering the offer, and was mostly focusing on whether he could handle the commitment of a daily radio program. Judging from his comments as a guest last month on Phil Donahue's program on MSNBC, Mr. Franken would probably take a far different approach from that of Mr. Limbaugh. "I think the audience isn't there for a liberal Rush," he said. "Because I think liberals don't want to hear that kind of demagoguery."

The plan faces several business and content challenges, from finding a network of radio stations to buy the program to overcoming the poor track record of liberal radio shows.


Yeah, and another hurdle is finding people dumb enough to listen.:neener:
 
Isn't that what NPR is there for?

I love these guys!

We already subsidize NPR, that hasn't ever done an interview with a conservative book author. Why do they want more?

"It's not fair that conservative hosts have a large audience."

OK, so put together your own programming and try to compete in the open market and let's see how you do. People are voting with their brain, their radio dial and ulmitately their wallets. These guys deliver listeners on a regular basis. It isn't about ideology it's about capitalism (oops, I forgot they don't like that either). If a liberal show was popular you know there would be a market for it so advertisers could access the millions of soocer moms out there. (Maybe sell special knee braces for all the knee jerk liberals that have problems with their knees breaking down?)

They are looking at Al Franken as the Liberal messiah as far as radio goes. I don't see him being able to handle three hours a day five days a week and keeping it both interesting and entertaining. Most of the liberal talk shows have tried to make a big splash and usually wind up on Sunday afternoon or Midnight to 3 AM slots on stations. (lovingly referred to as the graveyard slot).

Here in Chicago they have tried several of these and they usually wind up putting on a "Best of" program of Hannity or Rush and even their re-runs beat the liberal talk shows ratings. I do enjoy the fact that Rush and the others are making the liberal money people nervous. The one show that is still on, Ski & Skinner, is only on Sunday for 3 hours and has more conservative listeners that call into de-bunk their phony claims than liberals calling in.

I confess, it is fun to hear them squirm when they are trying to get people to call in about the latest Bush Family consiracy theory and all they get are conservatives calling with challenging questions for a half hour.

If liberals feel really threatened I guess they can always contribute to the Clinton library and join the Marc Rich special donor club.

Don P.
 
Don, don't you just love "Roe and Gary"? "Your honnnorrr.":D

[jingle music, "Liberal Radio"]

Host: "Let's take our first caller. It's Oprah from Chicago. Go ahead, Oprah, you're on Liberal Radio."

Oprah: "Boo hoo hoo, guns are bad, except for the guns in the holsters of my security squad at Habour Pointe on Lake Shore Drive and my mansion, er, beach cottage, in Michigan City, Indiana. Think of the children."

Host: "Wow, Oprah, that's powerful evidence. Now let's talk about taking money from the productive and giving it to the non-productive who will vote for us . . . ."
 
As long as I don't have to fund any of it out of my pocket, let them go for it and let the free market do its work. I believe it will fail, just like other liberal attempts, and of course it will be somebody elses fault besides the show, its format, and host.
 
Y'know, I'm not what Rush Limbaugh considers a conservative, and I disagree with him a lot (particularly when he explains why something is good with Republican politicians do it and bad when Democrats do it) but I listen to his show anyway. It's entertaining, it's interesting, and he does cover topics you don't hear elsewhere.

Do they really think Al Franken is going to be able to pull something like that off?

If nothing else, they're going to run into problems when Franken has an opinion that differs from these rich sponsors. Contrary to popular belief, nobody put Limbaugh on the radio because they wanted a Republican mouthpiece to counter Dan Rather and Peter Jennings. He built an audience and proved he could build ratings, and people lined up to sponsor him with the hope that he would succeed and they would make a profit on their investment.
 
It hopes to enlist other well-known entertainers with a liberal point of view for a 14-hour, daily slate of commercial programs that would heavily rely on comedy and political satire.
Well, that might make a few people listen, since logic and reason have been taken by the other side!
 
Rush is boring as hell. I could care less about his golf game. Michael Savage RULES. His book is #1 on NYT best seller and more people listen to him everyday. The problem with liberal talk shows is they suck, Donahue is in the can MSNBC is hiring Savage for Sat. afternoons, when they see his rating look out!:)
 
Question the premise: Rush calls himself a conservative, but IMO he's anything but right-wing...just slightly right of center, maybe. Mainstream, which accounts for his commercial popularity.

Gordon Liddy? Maybe a (more) liberal counterpart would be James Carville...he can be entertaining at times (hehe).

There's real leftwing radio out there (anyone else listen to pacifica?), as well as right-wing (i.e., alex jones). Both are entertaining at times, but chances are they'll never get more than a very small fan base. Many of these folks used to be confined to short wave, now their shows can be heard over the internet.

I'm with cuchulainn...let the market decide.
 
I thought the liberals already had NPR, National People's Radio, which is supported via our money via taxation.

Not to mention CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, et. al.

MPFreeman
 
Why do they want more?

As we well know, that is simple. They are losing their influence...which seems only fair since they struggle to present a single cogent idea to sandwich between their emotionalism and their sociofascist/bigger govt./utopian goals.

I encourage their effort; anytime they spend their own money to expose their bankrupt ideas is fine with me.
 
I love it! A bunch of wealthy Democrats discuss the creation of laws and programs to ensure that others never become wealthy! Its gonna be a hit! :rolleyes:
 
personally I like this idea! after all the more $$$ rich liberals sink into funding another media outlet which will only (or primarily) reach liberals, the less they have to spend elsewhere!

I think they should be encouraged to go digital immediately along with an HDTV only premium satt network too! :D
 
Anyone that wants to pay for the air time has the right to espouse whatever point of view they see fit.

Liberals can get away with spouting their drivel on NPR, becasue we all pay for it. Whether or not then can garner enough advertising dollars to pay for it on commercial radio remains to be seen. I am sure there are enough rich doners, and corporate doners to make it feasable for the near term though.

I dont listen to talk radio myself. I am conservative, and know who the enemy is. I dont need some pompous wind bag like El Rushmo to tell me (when he takes a break from his self agrandizment, that is)
 
Feh.. bring it on.

Kinda hard to garner advertising dollars when you spend the whole show talking about evil business owners. *heh* The melt-down should be fun to watch.


-K
 
I think they hit the nail on the head when they said there is no equivalent audience. Conservative and Liberal dont really seem to work as opposites anymore. Rush and similar hosts are merely selling emotional, inflamatory retoric to people who dont think critically. It doesnt really matter what side of the "line" they toe, just as long as its simple and appeals to emotion. People who can think read or listen to more than one source of info, so they dont make good lemmings for the ratings or followers for the demogogue. That's why NPR exists, so at least one viewpoint can be aired without having to depend on commercial appeal. If "liberal" trash radio takes the place of "conservative" trash radio, then I'm sure the "conservatives" will be dominate NPR instead. I'll leave it to everyone to decide for themselves whether commercial success means popular support.
 
Rush and similar hosts are merely selling emotional, inflamatory [sic] retoric [sic] to people who dont [sic] think critically.
Gee, thanks for the insult. :rolleyes:

I couldn't disagree more...what I hear from Limbaugh and other "radical, right-wing entertainers" is harsh, disciplined logic. What I used to hear from Jim "Lefty" Hightower and Bernie "Jabba" Ward was nothing but emotion...whining, victimization, and the most egregious levels of race- and class-baiting one would expect from "liberals".

That's why NPR exists, so at least one viewpoint can be aired without having to depend on commercial appeal.
NPR exists because the leftists in The Swamp give them my tax dollars to spew their hatred of anything other than their socialist fantasies.

In point of fact, NPR could not, and would not, exist on a commercial basis unless it took pains to present balanced viewpoints. In contrast, its taxpayer funding continues because it remains useful to the sophists of the Democrat Party and its comrades. In return, the administration and "performers" of NPR continue to collect fat salaries for their collusion.

Of course, NPR does not, nor has it ever, presented anything remotely resembling a balanced viewpoint...its everyday message is no different from the propaganda from ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN or any other broadcast media dedicated to carrying modern-day, PC psychobabble disguised as "news". That's why their ratings are dropping like the proverbial stone while other sources are, utilizing our inherent freedom of speech, killing them in the ratings.

And your conclusion is what...that the majority of listeners, viewers and 'net users are "useful idiots"? Your characterization is exactly 180º out of sync.

I'll leave it to everyone to decide for themselves whether commercial success means popular support.
Neither your sanction nor your permission is required, thank you very much.

You're from Vermont, eh? Old enough to vote? Pulled the lever for Bernie "I'm proud to be a socialist" Sanders? Perhaps you can ask Bernie why he's in favor of imposing fed.gov controls on broadcasters [does the unConstitutional "Fairness Doctrine" ring a bell?] so that his historically-failed socialistic ideology can be regurgitated without the inconvenience of dissenting voices.

That's not America, my friend...and you would do well to admit it, accept it and move on.
 
Arlin Adams said what I was thinking.

I hope they fund it adequately. It will make the "Rich Group of Democracts" into a poor group of Democrats.... :rolleyes:
 
Radio is not about entertainment
it is about selling advertisements


if they can sell the ads, they can have a show

if they enlist Al Franken just because of his book title
then they will have made a huge mistake

cause it is the Al Franken Decade

:)
 
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