Texasbagman
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It is more of an Anarchist test than a libertarian test.
It is more of an Anarchist test than a libertarian test.
Libertarian purity Test
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dustind
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I got 160, but I was going a bit idealistic. Plus a few at the end I could barely vote yes. The one and three point section were too easy though.
As for not being able to compete in a free market. Many businesses that go over sees do it to escape regulations, not because American workers cost too much.
That is over $28 a day. I can call dial a ride for $2.50 each way, I think. Dial a ride is like a taxi service, but with vans, and it usually has a drop off schedule like a bus, except with house or school pick up.
As for not being able to compete in a free market. Many businesses that go over sees do it to escape regulations, not because American workers cost too much.
Dan Forrester
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I scored 95. That’s slightly higher than I did back when I first took the test back a couple years ago.
Don’t froget to check out the rest of Bryan Caplan’s web sight. Some of his writings are very informative.
http://www.bcaplan.com
Dan
Don’t froget to check out the rest of Bryan Caplan’s web sight. Some of his writings are very informative.
http://www.bcaplan.com
Dan
Moparmike
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Marko...
Does this mean that I think that someone's words should merit them a bloody nose? No. A few choice words back will do fine. Will I go and actively start "kicking a$$ and taking names" just because I feel like it? No. Do I think that Iraq was a good thing, even if the reasons we went were initially based on gelatenous evidence, instead of concrete evidence? Yes.
I havent joined the LP yet because I cannot condemn the invasion of Iraq. Guess I am not a true believer. *shrug, again*
I guess I cant say for certain that I am a true libertarian then. If someone says they are going to bomb my country and I have satelite photos of them training in camps, etc., then I am going to park a carrier fleet off their doorstep along with a Marine landing division, you know, to perform manuevers (and show the flag, etc). If they move threateningly at my force or my country, then I am going to bomb them into the Stone Age. I look at it as "When someone is pointing a gun at you, jump for cover and shoot them before you get shot." *shrug*
Does this mean that I think that someone's words should merit them a bloody nose? No. A few choice words back will do fine. Will I go and actively start "kicking a$$ and taking names" just because I feel like it? No. Do I think that Iraq was a good thing, even if the reasons we went were initially based on gelatenous evidence, instead of concrete evidence? Yes.
I havent joined the LP yet because I cannot condemn the invasion of Iraq. Guess I am not a true believer. *shrug, again*
dustind
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Mopar I think you missed the point of the NAP. Invading Iraq, and killing terrorists is perfectly ok assuming you do it to protect yourself. No one would expect you to let a murder kill you before you defend yourself, or wait for a rapist to physically try to rape you. If someone attempts, or intends to harm you, you can defend yourself.
WonderNine
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I disagree. Threats and actions are two different things.
WyldOne
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My score was 42. Suprisingly not the lowest! 
tcdrennen
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I've been registered Libertarian since 1980 and voted Libertarian since 1972 (Dr. John Hospers for President!)
But I've never joined the Party - my libertarianism is more pragmatic than doctrinaire, and I am an American patriot libertarian.
I was opposed to going into the 1st Gulf War - as far as I was concerned, whoever had the oil there had to sell it to get any benefit out of it, and whether it was Kuwaiti tribal oligarchs or Sodom Insane or Saudi Wahabi fanatics or Shi'a fundamentalists didn't matter to me.
But we did go in, and then we had no choice but to finish it, which we didn't, which led to more instability and resentment and (in part) to 9/11.
After that, going after those responsible AND cleaning up the mess we'd left 10 years earlier became necessary. History may yet judge that the Kuwait war was right and just, but I have little doubt that leaving the situation the way we did (because of "world opinion") will be shown to have been a mistake, and the current conflicts to be consequences of it.
And I don't want to see that mistake repeated, so we're in it for the long haul.
As to the rest of the Libertarian Party platform, I have few disagreements, but the Party's prioritizing of issues doesn't always work for me. This year it appears Ending The Drug War is the main issue - yes, we should, but that's not MY main hot-button issue. We had some local Lib candidates on the CA primary a couple weeks back who scored less than "A" on the GOA survey - even one "D"! Some of the local Libs sound more like Greens to me, and I won't vote for a watermelon ("Green on the Outside, Red on the Inside") EVER.
But I've never joined the Party - my libertarianism is more pragmatic than doctrinaire, and I am an American patriot libertarian.
I was opposed to going into the 1st Gulf War - as far as I was concerned, whoever had the oil there had to sell it to get any benefit out of it, and whether it was Kuwaiti tribal oligarchs or Sodom Insane or Saudi Wahabi fanatics or Shi'a fundamentalists didn't matter to me.
But we did go in, and then we had no choice but to finish it, which we didn't, which led to more instability and resentment and (in part) to 9/11.
After that, going after those responsible AND cleaning up the mess we'd left 10 years earlier became necessary. History may yet judge that the Kuwait war was right and just, but I have little doubt that leaving the situation the way we did (because of "world opinion") will be shown to have been a mistake, and the current conflicts to be consequences of it.
And I don't want to see that mistake repeated, so we're in it for the long haul.
As to the rest of the Libertarian Party platform, I have few disagreements, but the Party's prioritizing of issues doesn't always work for me. This year it appears Ending The Drug War is the main issue - yes, we should, but that's not MY main hot-button issue. We had some local Lib candidates on the CA primary a couple weeks back who scored less than "A" on the GOA survey - even one "D"! Some of the local Libs sound more like Greens to me, and I won't vote for a watermelon ("Green on the Outside, Red on the Inside") EVER.
Combat-wombat
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Joe Gunns
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And among my colleagues I'M considered to be a right-wing wacko! Guess I really am (GASP) a moderate.
Or maybe, its old age and impaired health taking its toll. I don't feel as confident in my ability to take care of myself without a firearm as I once did and I think that has made me value aspects of government protection more highly. To paraphrase the old guote from Jefferson(I think): The desire for safety is the enemy of freedom.
And among my colleagues I'M considered to be a right-wing wacko! Guess I really am (GASP) a moderate.
Or maybe, its old age and impaired health taking its toll. I don't feel as confident in my ability to take care of myself without a firearm as I once did and I think that has made me value aspects of government protection more highly. To paraphrase the old guote from Jefferson(I think): The desire for safety is the enemy of freedom.
"I think that has made me value aspects of government protection more highly."
This is almost certainly true. The older I get, although I am not really old yet and don't have any significant health problems the more I realize that certain things are pretty much essential. It would be interesting to see how the score in this test corresponds with age.
A good example is occuring right now with my parents. My dad worked in a steel mill for over 40 years and retired in the early 80s. He is now in his mid eighties. When he retired, he had a pretty good pension, however today approx. 25 years later he gets the same pension that he did when he retired. Thank God for Social Security: which he paid in to since it started. On a different front, the company he worked for has recently been sold and the retirees are losing their health insurance as a result. I don't know what he would do without medicare; which he paid into since it started. These arn't government give away programs, it is his money.
This is almost certainly true. The older I get, although I am not really old yet and don't have any significant health problems the more I realize that certain things are pretty much essential. It would be interesting to see how the score in this test corresponds with age.
A good example is occuring right now with my parents. My dad worked in a steel mill for over 40 years and retired in the early 80s. He is now in his mid eighties. When he retired, he had a pretty good pension, however today approx. 25 years later he gets the same pension that he did when he retired. Thank God for Social Security: which he paid in to since it started. On a different front, the company he worked for has recently been sold and the retirees are losing their health insurance as a result. I don't know what he would do without medicare; which he paid into since it started. These arn't government give away programs, it is his money.
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dustind
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444: He would have had a lot more money had his SS money been invested. You should also get separate health coverage than your employer, they tend to look out for your long term health more. Maybe pension health care is an exception.
Sulaco
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I got a seventeen and think it is too high.
This quiz only shows whether you are a libertarian or a socialist.
It doesn't matter which form you wish for as self governance or socialist capitalism both produce proletariats as most of us are.
Don't like paying for public schools? I bet 90 plus percent of us went to public schools...
The fact remains that neither form will ever work. Why? They both become equally perverted because people have to have balanced rules. They (we) cannot function without them.
This quiz only shows whether you are a libertarian or a socialist.
It doesn't matter which form you wish for as self governance or socialist capitalism both produce proletariats as most of us are.
Don't like paying for public schools? I bet 90 plus percent of us went to public schools...
The fact remains that neither form will ever work. Why? They both become equally perverted because people have to have balanced rules. They (we) cannot function without them.
KRAUTGUNNER
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I scored 58.
I think that means, I'm sort of a conservative-libertarian half-breed.
I think that means, I'm sort of a conservative-libertarian half-breed.
138 : "You are nearly a perfect libertarian, with a tiny number of blind spots. Think about them, then take the test over again. On the other hand, if you scored this high, you probably have a good libertarian objection to my suggested libertarian answer."
I think we should keep a military force / military research dept going with the change that we become more like the swiss in that any citizen that wants an anti-aircraft gun, etc just needs to get the appropriate training to have one stationed on his block (or go out and buy his own).
I think we should keep a military force / military research dept going with the change that we become more like the swiss in that any citizen that wants an anti-aircraft gun, etc just needs to get the appropriate training to have one stationed on his block (or go out and buy his own).
Moparmike
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What if I dont want mandatory training for my Iowa-class Battleship? (Although I cant imagine not needing training and a large crew...)
It would be cool to park that in Beaver Lake!
It would be cool to park that in Beaver Lake!
Jay Kominek
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Huh? Maybe I'm missing your point, but since our parents probably chose our schools, there isn't any hypocrisy in the fact that most of us went to government schools.
I, at least, was not wealthy enough at the ripe old age of 6 to fund a private elementary school for myself.
People do all sorts of things they don't want their kids to do. We learn from our mistakes, and try to save our children the trouble.
Docwithglock
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That makes me hard core libertarian according to the test.
Funny how they commented at the end about how my score range people wished they scored higher. At first I did wish I scored higher, but the more I thought about it, I'm glad I didn't. Hard core is just fine. It is a good thing for a group to have similar ideals, but differing oppinions (on occasion). The hard core people not always agreeing helps keep a party sane. I'm not saying that the people the scored a 160 are nut's... they are just pure libertarians according to this test. Good for them.
I've heard the saying that a conservative is a liberal after they get mugged.
I'd like to add that a libertarian is a conservative that realizes he not only gives money to the government to give to the mugger, but does so because of government force!
That makes me hard core libertarian according to the test.
Funny how they commented at the end about how my score range people wished they scored higher. At first I did wish I scored higher, but the more I thought about it, I'm glad I didn't. Hard core is just fine. It is a good thing for a group to have similar ideals, but differing oppinions (on occasion). The hard core people not always agreeing helps keep a party sane. I'm not saying that the people the scored a 160 are nut's... they are just pure libertarians according to this test. Good for them.
I've heard the saying that a conservative is a liberal after they get mugged.
I'd like to add that a libertarian is a conservative that realizes he not only gives money to the government to give to the mugger, but does so because of government force!
TimH
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Glock Glockler
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Thank God for Social Security: which he paid in to since it started.
What if your dad was allowed to invest that money into an private annuity account which would have accumulated with a rate of return 10 times higher than Social Security, would you still be thanking God you were forced into an abysmal ponzi scheme which is screwing many people out of their money?
I don't know what he would do without medicare; which he paid into since it started. These arn't government give away programs, it is his money.
Not give away programs? I have many people I can introduce you to that are living testament to the opposite.
What if your dad was allowed to invest that money into an private annuity account which would have accumulated with a rate of return 10 times higher than Social Security, would you still be thanking God you were forced into an abysmal ponzi scheme which is screwing many people out of their money?
I don't know what he would do without medicare; which he paid into since it started. These arn't government give away programs, it is his money.
Not give away programs? I have many people I can introduce you to that are living testament to the opposite.
What if ?
The problem is that you want to deal in theories and what ifs. He unfortunately has to deal with reality. He wasn't given the opportunity to pay into something else that pays back 10 times........................... That doesn't exist and never did. The reality of the situation is that he paid into these programs and now is entitled to their benefits whether someone 1/4th his age thinks they have all the answers to the worlds problems or not.
You know what is funny about this situation ? It wasn't the government or government programs that are his problem right now. His problem stems from the actions of PRIVATE INDUSTRY. He retired in 1983 expecting to recieve health insurance for the rest of his life, and the rest of my mothers life. Guess what, Medicare and Social Security are still paying. The company he worked for, for 46 years isn't. Why ? Because the company he worked for sold the business to someone else. That is the free market in action. Problem is that along the way a few eggs get broken. In this case it is people who are too old to start over or too old to get a job at Wal Mart to pay the cost of their health care.
Since you think you are so good with money let me see if you can top this: My dad is 85 years old, 86 next month. He has never in his life had a loan. Never even had a credit card until he retired anf found out he couldn't get a hotel room or a rental car without one. Every car, and every house he has ever owned he bought for cash. He put two daughters through college and paid for it 100% when the bill came in the mail. He currently owns two late model cars, a house on 15 acres, and a vacation home in Arizona. Paid cash for all of them and maintains all of them inculding an over 5 acre lawn at 85 years of age. Why don't you see how much he appreciates your advice on how you can improve things for him because he probably didn't learn much along the way. He was a simple steel worker that never went to college. He is now paying for health insurance out of pocket as much as my house payment.
"I have many people I can introduce you to that are living testament to the opposite."
Don't bore me. I have been to every hosptial, jail, homeless shelter, shanty town, housing project, rehab facility, methadone clinic, prison, crack house, shooting gallery, whore house, section 8 housing, welfare office, women's shelter, food stamp office in Las Vegas. You name it, I have been there, probably a few dozen times. There are housing projects and homeless shelters that I have been to easily over 1000 times; you got nothing to show me.
The problem is that you want to deal in theories and what ifs. He unfortunately has to deal with reality. He wasn't given the opportunity to pay into something else that pays back 10 times........................... That doesn't exist and never did. The reality of the situation is that he paid into these programs and now is entitled to their benefits whether someone 1/4th his age thinks they have all the answers to the worlds problems or not.
You know what is funny about this situation ? It wasn't the government or government programs that are his problem right now. His problem stems from the actions of PRIVATE INDUSTRY. He retired in 1983 expecting to recieve health insurance for the rest of his life, and the rest of my mothers life. Guess what, Medicare and Social Security are still paying. The company he worked for, for 46 years isn't. Why ? Because the company he worked for sold the business to someone else. That is the free market in action. Problem is that along the way a few eggs get broken. In this case it is people who are too old to start over or too old to get a job at Wal Mart to pay the cost of their health care.
Since you think you are so good with money let me see if you can top this: My dad is 85 years old, 86 next month. He has never in his life had a loan. Never even had a credit card until he retired anf found out he couldn't get a hotel room or a rental car without one. Every car, and every house he has ever owned he bought for cash. He put two daughters through college and paid for it 100% when the bill came in the mail. He currently owns two late model cars, a house on 15 acres, and a vacation home in Arizona. Paid cash for all of them and maintains all of them inculding an over 5 acre lawn at 85 years of age. Why don't you see how much he appreciates your advice on how you can improve things for him because he probably didn't learn much along the way. He was a simple steel worker that never went to college. He is now paying for health insurance out of pocket as much as my house payment.
"I have many people I can introduce you to that are living testament to the opposite."
Don't bore me. I have been to every hosptial, jail, homeless shelter, shanty town, housing project, rehab facility, methadone clinic, prison, crack house, shooting gallery, whore house, section 8 housing, welfare office, women's shelter, food stamp office in Las Vegas. You name it, I have been there, probably a few dozen times. There are housing projects and homeless shelters that I have been to easily over 1000 times; you got nothing to show me.
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