So you want to vote Libertarian?

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It is argued here endlessly. Should you vote for the GOP even though they don't really believe in many of your core issues? Or should you vote your principles and go Libertarian? Well, look at the Montana race. If the people who voted Libertarian had voted GOP instead, the GOP would have won that race easily. The numbers are right there to see.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/MT/S/01/index.html

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If the Republicans want those libertarian votes, perhaps they ought to, y'know, start taking their stance on the issues into account.

I'll bet that's a hard lesson to learn.
 
Yeah, I voted a majority of Lib. Good for me and them. Repubs made their bed, now they don't even get to lay in it.
 
Justin is right. Republicans need to act like Republicans. Small government, lower taxes, less government power. Then they might pick up some Libertarian votes. Like mine, for example. Until then, they can loose to the Democrats. It's really a sad day for Republicans when the Democrats win on the "We're not Republicans!" platform.
 
I personally voted Libertarian in my races here (where it made absolutely no difference to the outcome). Part of why I voted Libertarian was the same reason some people voted Democratic: to say no to the war in Iraq. The Republicans set that up. They didn't need to. The war was a terrible idea from the very beginning. It was hopeless from the start. All those Americans who died fighting there died for nothing.
 
If the Republicans want those libertarian votes, perhaps they ought to, y'know, start taking their stance on the issues into account.
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YES!

This is our opportunity to let them know; as long as someone is winning, they get lazy and cocky, and they don't take advice. It's true in sports, business, and politics.

One of the best things we can do is let the GOP know WHICH part of their base they abandoned. Here's a clue, guys, it's NOT the Church Lady contingent, it's the Goldwater/Reagan contingent.
 
If the people who voted Libertarian had voted GOP instead, the GOP would have won that race easily.
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And?

This seems to assume that the average Libertarian would have been happier with a Repub than a Dem. The average Libertarian, as far as I can tell, views Repub vs. Dem as "Which rights would you least like to lose?"

And the only moral choice is "None of the above".

YMMV.
 
The Libertarian Caucus in the Republican Party became the Republican Liberty Caucus. Perhaps the RNC should have listened to them more.
 
It is argued here endlessly. Should you vote for the GOP even though they don't really believe in many of your core issues? Or should you vote your principles and go Libertarian? Well, look at the Montana race. If the people who voted Libertarian had voted GOP instead, the GOP would have won that race easily. The numbers are right there to see.
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So are you blaming the people(which feel betrayed) or the politicans (who left the conservative platfrom and spend like dunk Democrats)????

We dont step in line with them, they step in line with us!!! If the GOP ditched their platform, you would blame the people for looking elsewhere??? Boy the GOP and its hard-core voters have alot to learn......
 
The whole point of voting libertarian, or Democrat, or republican, or green, or independent, or... well... VOTING at all... is to send a message. Most of the time, that message will come through quiet and fuzzy... in other words... your vote will be mixed in with a million others and the fact that you voted doesn't really matter at all.

But sometimes, like now, voters are given a chance to send a loud and clear message. "Take our views seriously or you will lose." How do voters send that message? One way is to spend their votes on third party or independent candidates instead of throwing them away on the major parties.

The Republicans drifted too far away from the ideals of a large block of voters... too far away from personal freedom and liberty... and they are losing elections because of it. That's EXACTLY why you vote Libertarian... yeah, in the short term it may hurt, but in the long term the republicans will improve because of this... or they will shrink as a party and the race will be between Democrats and Libertarians. That wouldn't be a bad thing.
 
In a word , Democrats -evil party, republicans -stupid party, libertarians -dreamer party.
 
or they will shrink as a party and the race will be between Democrats and Libertarians. That wouldn't be a bad thing.
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Why wouldn't it?

Say the Democrats win 50% of the time and implement only 50% of the socialism they want to? How is that good, necessarily? And who's to say what Libertarians would be like if they really had any power (look what happened to the GOP!)?

Better, in fact, and easier, would be to get to the point where Democrats and Republicans both favor individual liberty in principle, and argue over policy differences.
 
Well, look at the Montana race. If the people who voted Libertarian had voted GOP instead, the GOP would have won that race easily. The numbers are right there to see.
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And if the people who voted for Republicans had voted for Libertarians the Libertarians would have won. :eek:

It's terrible that one actually votes for the party that serves one's beliefs, isn't it. :rolleyes:
 
Is there really anything wrong with the Montana Democrat Tester?
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Even if there's "something" wrong, I still wouldn't mind having some conservative Democrats again. Lots of 'em.

Get center-right Republicans and center-right Democrats together, and the compromises can look a lot more libertarian.

Get big-government Republicans and nanny-state Democrats together, and the compromises are ugly.

It's terrible that one actually votes for the party that serves one's beliefs, isn't it.
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Well, the Libertarian Party doesn't really serve much at all, apart from our need to socialize with a few like-minded people. That's the problem. I mean, perhaps the Libertarian candidate would do that if he/she were elected, and if he/she were in a strategic or tactical position to accomplish anything in office. Those are BIG if's, and that's where the disagreement generally arises.
 
Yea, you are right,

but the Dem's meanwhile, are laughing all the way to their new offices, and WE are left holding the bag. We may have, and I stress MAY, taught them a lesson, but we are the ones who are going to suffer untill the next election.:banghead:
 
We may have, and I stress MAY, taught them a lesson, but we are the ones who are going to suffer untill the next election.
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What about the Iraqis if the place turns into Vietnam/Cambodia circa 1975?

They'll suffer more.

But anyway, what you wrote is what I have been writing here for a while, to much opposition. Teaching "them" a lesson that hurts us is not something that makes a lot of sense to me, even if it means I have no wonderful alternatives.

We'll see who was right, I guess.

What we did find out, though, is that if you hammer on something long enough, many people believe it, including the conspiracy theories about 9/11 actually being executed by the Bush Administration.
 
I hope the Republicans roll over and let Pelosi and company have their way.

The only thing that makes me want to puke more than the unprincipled Republicans that brought this mess on us is the smarmy libertarians (many who reside here) that have helped put these euro socialist Democrats into power. A pox on all of ya.

I live in Illinois, I hope all you folks get a good dose of what we have to tolerate under Democrat rule in your "free" states. Serves your right.

I hope the Democrats have a series of successes.

Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.
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I live in Illinois, I hope all you folks get a good dose of what we have to tolerate under Democrat rule in your "free" states. Serves your right.
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Yeah. Those of us who already live under Democrat rule are a lot more willing to accept the GOP's faults. Wonder why that is...:rolleyes:
 
The only thing that makes me want to puke more than the unprincipled Republicans that brought this mess on us is the smarmy libertarians (many who reside here) that have helped put these euro socialist Democrats into power. A pox on all of ya.
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I love this excuse.

Place all the blame on the voters who didn't roll over and vote for a party that doesn't stand for anything they believe in anymore. And yet somehow it's the voters' fault the party changed and so did their vote.

Sometimes I wonder about all the leftover Republican voters... :rolleyes:
 
Place all the blame on the voters who didn't roll over and vote for a party that doesn't stand for anything they believe in anymore. And yet somehow it's the voters' fault the party changed and so did their vote.
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Well, it IS, in part, the voters' fault.

See, every party activist, every politician, every canvasser, even every President, is a citizen just like you and me. We don't have an official Nobility, though of course it sometimes appears so. There's something each of us could have done, but didn't.

So if you (colloquially -- I don't know what YOU specifically did or didn't do) sat on your butt and waited for the political parties to offer you some great candidates, then it's your fault, too. You could have gotten involved years ago, if you'd have bothered.

So now you're stuck with a choice between an unpalatable R or D, and a futile vote for a Libertarian who won't get elected, or even get included in debates. But it's not your fault. It's their fault for not providing you with a wonderful candidate so you could spend 20 minutes out of every two years filling out a ballot, then 20 minutes a day the rest of the time, bitching.

Uncle Sam wants YOU. Without you, what can we do? "They" won't do it.
 
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