Libertarians vs. Sheriff’s Deputies at Gun Buyback – 2nd Amendment Win

[SharpsDressedMan]

^^^Exactly WHY a gun dealer could and should set up next to the Sheriff's booth. The dealer has a RIGHT under free commerce to conduct business the same as the Sheriff!

 

[joeschmoe]

The guns were freely sold by the owners to the police. The books and records were donated. Two completely different things.
John

No, not the payment (although book burning did frequently give rewards for books brought to be burned). I mean it's the kool aid mentality of either blindly or even taking joy in seeing the rights of others (and ultimately everyone) being destroyed on public display with official support. My comparison is not about how they are paid for, but what they are destroying and the Orwellian/fanatical pride and claims of piety and self-righteousness.

It just has this really creepy, cultish, book burning, brain-washing type feeling. Like I said, I find it hard to describe, but it gives me the "creeps".

 

[AlexanderA]

...a licensed gun dealer could apply for a temporary permit to set up NEXT to the LE buyback, and conduct legitmate pruchases from sellers....AND...even SELL guns (probably covered under fair trade and commerce laws).

An FFL dealer can only sell guns at his licensed premises, or at organized gun shows. He can't set up a stand on the street to sell guns. He can buy at any location.

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

Kinda makes a fella want to throw a co-op "buy-back".

If they can do it why not us? Come to the lot at ***** get $50 for every firearm you bring. I guarantee the pooh-shooters would be more than covered by the odd collector pieces we always see in the news clips.

 

[USAF_Vet]

No, not the payment (although book burning did frequently give rewards for books brought to be burned). I mean it's the kool aid mentality of either blindly or even taking joy in seeing the rights of others (and ultimately everyone) being destroyed on public display with official support. My comparison is not about how they are paid for, but what they are destroying and the Orwellian/fanatical pride and claims of piety and self-righteousness.

It just has this really creepy, cultish, book burning, brain-washing type feeling. Like I said, I find it hard to describe, but it gives me the "creeps".

I see the correlation, but I'll raise you this: If gun buy-offs are akin to book burnings, was anyone taking their old high school notebooks that are completely useless to the book burnings?

Most of these gun buy-offs yield rusty, old, broken pieces of junk that were once guns. They can not be repaired, or should not be repaired. They serve the owner no purpose, just like the useless old notebooks scrawled with bad poetry, caricatures of your English teacher and the occasional notes relevent to the subject at hand. we're not talking about classic literature, and we're not talking about quality guns.

Sure, occasionally a buy off yields a gun of value, like the Stg-44 and the MP-40, but those are few and faw between. Mostly it's old Jennings pistols, crappy Spanish revolvers in odd calibers, rusted out muzzle loaders and the occasional air soft gun.

I hate buy offs. Some people who particiapte in them are complete suckers. Others are getting paid to dispose of their trash.

 

[USAF_Vet]

If they can do it why not us? Come to the lot at ***** get $50 for every firearm you bring. I guarantee the pooh-shooters would be more than covered by the odd collector pieces we always see in the news clips.

I've seen this suggested before. The problem is, when fronting your own money for a no questions asked buy-off, you're bound to get the junk I just described. You aren't likely to have a successful buy off if you reject 80%+ of the folks who show up with their busted Bryco.

 

[RPRNY]

(Sarcasm)I object to my tax dollars being used to buy crap firearms from people who don't know how to write fluffy and enticing Gun Broker copy. It's not confiscation, it's government subsidization of laziness and discourages entrepreneurship! (/sarcasm)

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[AlexanderA]

If they can do it why not us? Come to the lot at ***** get $50 for every firearm you bring.

Probably, a fair percentage of the guns brought to these "buy-backs" are stolen, have been used in crimes, etc. Part of the enticement is the "no-questions-asked" or immunity policy. A private individual, as opposed to a government entity, can't offer such a policy, so those sellers wouldn't come forward. On the other side, there's always the possibility of the buyers being charged with offenses such as receiving stolen property. Would you really want to take such risks?

 

[TonyDedo]

I've always wondered why more gun shops don't run "buyback" programs. Perhaps partner with a local law enforcement agency, the agency would pay $75 or whatever they pay per gun, and the FFL would pay whatever it's worth above and beyond that. The LEA gets the junk guns at $75, and the FFL resells the guns worth selling. Even if the FFL had to turn over guns that came up stolen, I'm sure the process would still be profitable. It would get more guns off "the street" and into the hands of law abiding gun owners, return some stolen guns to their rightful owners, and generate some goodwill between law enforcement and FFLs...

Maybe "one day" when I open that garage gun shop I've always wanted...

 

[thorazine]

I've always wondered why more gun shops don't run "buyback" programs. Perhaps partner with a local law enforcement agency, the agency would pay $75 or whatever they pay per gun, and the FFL would pay whatever it's worth above and beyond that.

Because law enforcement agencies sponsoring such events wants the firearm destroyed and not resold unlike the gun shop.

 

[JohnBT]

"I mean it's the kool aid mentality of either blindly or even taking joy in seeing the rights of others (and ultimately everyone) being destroyed on public display with official support."

What rights are being destroyed? The sellers were under no obligation to sell. I don't get teary eyed over the destruction of a bunch of near-useless wall hangers just like I didn't get upset when the feds introduced the Cash for Clunkers car program. Nobody was forced to participate and nobody in their right mind traded in a '65 Mustang or SS396.

 

[Dean Weingarten]

The primary purpose of these misnamed "buybacks" is political propaganda, aimed at destroying the Second Amendment, the rule of law, and ultimately, the Constitution. The reason the organizers of the "buy back" ( a pure propaganda term meant to insinuate that only the State can legitimately own firearms) do not cooperate with dealers to stretch the turn in dollars and to put collectable guns back in responsible hands, is that they want to send the message that the only responsible hands are those of the State agents.

Pure propaganda, and often, your tax dollars are fueling it.

This is why they call buying guns from responsible owners "getting guns off the street" and why we should always say that responsible owners buying guns are "getting guns off the street".

 

[powder]

A sale on firearms was had: individuals made a decision to sell their firearm(s). Those individuals had a choice to keep their property, or sell it.

Noone from the government or it's agencies went door-to-door confiscating or seizing anything. I have the freedom to choose, to make my own decisions, and you are free to disagree with those decisions of mine.

However, you cross a line when you try to lump and demonize all governement agencies and their employees as part of a seizure conspiracy. Kudos to the people who went to make private transactions at the event-too bad it was for political gains rather than a moral high ground.

Furthermore, I am speaking of seizure and confiscation, not a sale on sandwiches. These terms are limited to the actions of government and its agencies, and have nothing to do with personal transactions.

So, call it what you will, or define it how you wish. I see it for what it is.

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

The "no questions asked" thing might be a future problem for the law enforcement agency. They are subverting any possible lawful prosecution for crimes that they quite literally have no clue about. If someone turns in the gun that that, for instance, REALLY killed Kennedy (suppose there was doubt in that case, and a second gunmen was suspected ), a "no questions asked" buyback might trash any new lead in an investigation, and offer fast immunity of someone involved in a big or bigger crime, like, say, a serial killing. As citizens, we might even make a class action suit possible by challenging the LE agency for that reason, and another of subverting fair trade opportunity in an otherwise LEGAL commodity like FIREARMS. Government isn't supposed to compete in private COMMERCE. I'm no lawyer, but I believe some sophisticated laws and case law exist on that topic.

 

[Fremmer]

The correct definition is irrelevant, just like the programs are useless and irrelevant.

But they sure are a feel-good pr event.

 

[soonerfan85]

How about we make these buy backs into trade fairs. Biden could trade me a new Versamax for my old Mosberg semi auto .22. Heck, I'd settle for a Citori O/U if all he wants me to have for home protection is two shots.