License Required to Hunt and Fish Your Own Land

[Chuck R.]

Instead, the state owns the game.

And the state, made up of the residents who have a say, manages the game. Somehow they've got to have revenue to pay for all the stuff that goes with it. I've hunted in Europe (Germany & Austria), where the game is the property of the landowners and still managed by the "state".

So for example a mature buck IAW this article, the home range is about 650 acres:

7 Things to Know About Buck Home Ranges

Deer Information to Know and Use

realtree.com

So, is that your idea of a fair amount of land not to have to buy a deer tag? Around here, 650 acres could be 1 landowner, or 40.

Last night I watched 3 does and a fork horn jump my neighbors fence to come to my food plot, I guess technically I "owned" them once they crossed.

Then what about the migratory stuff? This morning for example I woke up gazed at my 9 acre pond and there was about 35 Canadas and 20+ ducks on it. In some folks minds apparently, I should just be able to sneak down and jump shoot them.. right? (actually I can cause I have a license, duck stamp state stamp and HIP)

What's a better solution? I mean besides the "I've got mine" type attitude.

 

[wombat13]

And the state, made up of the residents who have a say, manages the game. Somehow they've got to have revenue to pay for all the stuff that goes with it. I've hunted in Europe (Germany & Austria), where the game is the property of the landowners and still managed by the "state".

So for example a mature buck IAW this article, the home range is about 650 acres:

7 Things to Know About Buck Home Ranges

Deer Information to Know and Use

realtree.com

So, is that your idea of a fair amount of land not to have to buy a deer tag? Around here, 650 acres could be 1 landowner, or 40.

Last night I watched 3 does and a fork horn jump my neighbors fence to come to my food plot, I guess technically I "owned" them once they crossed.

Then what about the migratory stuff? This morning for example I woke up gazed at my 9 acre pond and there was about 35 Canadas and 20+ ducks on it. In some folks minds apparently, I should just be able to sneak down and jump shoot them.. right? (actually I can cause I have a license, duck stamp state stamp and HIP)

What's a better solution? I mean besides the "I've got mine" type attitude.

Easy Chuck, I don't really have a problem with the system, simply pointing out that getting rid of the system where the landowner "owns" the game doesn't mean nobody owns it. In the past, the king owned the game, now the state does. What is the practical difference?

By the way, regardless of whether the law deems the landowner or the state as the owner, as long as the law allows a landowner to "high fence" his property, then he becomes de facto owner.

 

[Chuck R.]

Easy Chuck, I don't really have a problem with the system, simply pointing out that getting rid of the system where the landowner "owns" the game doesn't mean nobody owns it. In the past, the king owned the game, now the state does. What is the practical difference?

By the way, regardless of whether the law deems the landowner or the state as the owner, as long as the law allows a landowner to "high fence" his property, then he becomes de facto owner.

Well for one thing, back in the day, the king had people hanged for poaching...

I don't look at it as owning, as much as I do "managing". For instance, the states don't own the migratory birds, those season restrictions are set down by the Feds, the state has a say on dates, but not total number of days and limits.

Practical difference is that the state has rules and regulations, whereas the king did as he pleased. Land owners get to do what they please within limits set by the state.

And yes a landowner can high fence and become the defacto "owner", but again the state sets seasons and limits and regulates them to some extent. For the commercial operations here in KS (Called Controlled Shooting Areas) they're licensed by the state and the users still have to have either a state license, of a special CSA license.

So you could high fence, then find out that the state drastically limited permits that year due to the game counts in the surrounding areas.

 

[crestoncowboy]

I wish we could purchase lifetime permits here.

NC has had them as long as I remember. They are cheaper the younger you are up to 12 or so and then start coming back down as a senior. Lol

Left is resident and right is nonresident .

 

[wombat13]

NY has made the lifetime licenses a ridiculous proposition. I have a lifetime license, but I bought it back when the lifetime licenses were cheaper and the annuals were more expensive. IIRC, it was less than 10 years payback and I bought it in my early 30s. I thought I was going to buy lifetime licenses for my kids, but now the annual license is $22 and the lifetime is $535 if you buy it before they turn 11 yo or $765 if you buy it at 12 or older. So that's a 24 year payback or 34 year payback. Doesn't make sense to me. My son is under 10. I have no idea how much he will be into hunting and have no idea where he will be living 20 years from now.

 

[mcb]

Every time there is a thread on hunting fees this song jumps into my mine.

I speak the King′s English
I kneel in his chapel
I face 40 lashes for stealing his apples
I live in his tavern die in his field

Drink to his health and the turn of the wheel

Yes, the libertarian in me rears its ugly head. I get why we have hunting regulations and charge fees to support that bureaucracy but at the same time, and as usual, government all too easy gets heavy handed and has too many unintended consequences. There was a time when I was happy to pay for my hunting license as I saw it as a way to support my hobby, but as I have become more cynical of the government in general, that cynicism has bled over to my views of government run wildlife management to a degree.

The deer aren't mine but they are not the government's either IMHO...

 

[wombat13]

Every time there is a thread on hunting fees this song jumps into my mine.

Yes, the libertarian in me rears its ugly head. I get why we have hunting regulations and charge fees to support that bureaucracy but at the same time, and as usual, government all too easy gets heavy handed and has too many unintended consequences. There was a time when I was happy to pay for my hunting license as I saw it as a way to support my hobby, but as I have become more cynical of the government in general, that cynicism has bled over to my views of government run wildlife management to a degree.

The deer aren't mine but they are not the government's either IMHO...

It all comes down to a coordination problem. When human population density is low, we can all do as we please without significant impact/harm to anyone else. That changes as population density increases. At the risk of going to political, I lean libertarian, but being libertarian in a world where 90% of the population isn't libertarian is like unilateral disarmament. In the real world, it's just a question of whose boot is on whose neck.

 

[Bazoo]

I guess the thing about it that prompted my post, is that it took me completely by surprise. For fishing to be included in this was extremely shocking because while you might argue that you can't hunt effectively on less than 5 acres, it's completely different from a fishing perspective.

 

[GreenWing]

NY has made the lifetime licenses a ridiculous proposition. I have a lifetime license, but I bought it back when the lifetime licenses were cheaper and the annuals were more expensive. IIRC, it was less than 10 years payback and I bought it in my early 30s. I thought I was going to buy lifetime licenses for my kids, but now the annual license is $22 and the lifetime is $535 if you buy it before they turn 11 yo or $765 if you buy it at 12 or older. So that's a 24 year payback or 34 year payback. Doesn't make sense to me. My son is under 10. I have no idea how much he will be into hunting and have no idea where he will be living 20 years from now.

SC has a decent deal on lifetime licenses. It was just under $500 for my kid when he was under 2 for fresh & saltwater fishing, hunting, and state waterfowl. Idk if he's going to care about hunting later on or if he'll move away but I'll always have the opportunity to hunt/fish with him if he chooses. It's a lot up front but it'll save him money and at least it goes to the DNR for wildlife. I'm going to do the same for my second kid soon too. I use the same logic with Dingle/Johnson and Pittman/Robertson to justify buying more stuff I don't need anyway lol.

 

[wombat13]

SC has a decent deal on lifetime licenses. It was just under $500 for my kid when he was under 2 for fresh & saltwater fishing, hunting, and state waterfowl. Idk if he's going to care about hunting later on or if he'll move away but I'll always have the opportunity to hunt/fish with him if he chooses. It's a lot up front but it'll save him money and at least it goes to the DNR for wildlife. I'm going to do the same for my second kid soon too. I use the same logic with Dingle/Johnson and Pittman/Robertson to justify buying more stuff I don't need anyway lol.

Sure, it’s fine if you don’t mind making a donation. I just think it’s ridiculous to offer a lifetime license where the break even is in the 25 to 35 year range. And that’s ignoring the time value of money. I mean, if I take $500 and invest it in something that returns as little as 5% per year, I make $25 per year in interest which is more than the $22 that the NYS hunting/ fishing license costs.

 

[GreenWing]

Sure, it’s fine if you don’t mind making a donation. I just think it’s ridiculous to offer a lifetime license where the break even is in the 25 to 35 year range. And that’s ignoring the time value of money. I mean, if I take $500 and invest it in something that returns as little as 5% per year, I make $25 per year in interest which is more than the $22 that the NYS hunting/ fishing license costs.

Ends up being about $55 annual for me here for hunting, waterfowl add on (excluding federal stamp), freshwater and saltwater fishing. It is significantly cheaper under 2 years of age for lifetime than above 16. I think payoff for kids like that is around 9-10 years which is still a good while.

 

[Axis II]

Ohio landowners, spouse, children and even grand children do not need a license or tag.

 

[codytrucker]

That might be Ala moana, they are always doing stuff to that one.....

In some ways its more lenient than most of the mainland.
I can hunt every day of the year with nothing but my license.....i used to go two or three times a week.....now i spend more time hunting for the stuff my kids have scattered around the house

Firearms acquisitions are more difficult, but really just take some extra planning....long guns anyway. Handguns kinda suck....

I lived in Honolulu '93 to '96 . ( walking distance to Ala Moana ) . I've always been a hunter so after a while I got to scheming on how to fill my freezer with some free range pork and venison . The plan I came up with was to buy a Blackhawk .44 and throw it and a backpack in a cooler and go to another island , go hunting and bring back a cooler of meat . Easy-peasy .


Then I looked into regulations , and what it would take to buy a Ruger .44 mag . And traveling inter island with a revolver . More headache then I was willing to go thru at the time .


Thank God I like to fish too !! If I ever get out there again I would like to at least do some bird hunting , Francolin always look tasty to me !

 

[LoonWulf]

I lived in Honolulu '93 to '96 . ( walking distance to Ala Moana ) . I've always been a hunter so after a while I got to scheming on how to fill my freezer with some free range pork and venison . The plan I came up with was to buy a Blackhawk .44 and throw it and a backpack in a cooler and go to another island , go hunting and bring back a cooler of meat . Easy-peasy .


Then I looked into regulations , and what it would take to buy a Ruger .44 mag . And traveling inter island with a revolver . More headache then I was willing to go thru at the time .


Thank God I like to fish too !! If I ever get out there again I would like to at least do some bird hunting , Francolin always look tasty to me !

Thats basically what I do.... usually pack everything including my hunting pack into a cooler and take a rifle. Carry one color on the plane, and beg, borrow, steal (buy) another while im there to Fedex the home, the carry my clothes and stuff in my backpack.

 

[codytrucker]

Thats basically what I do.... usually pack everything including my hunting pack into a cooler and take a rifle. Carry one color on the plane, and beg, borrow, steal (buy) another while im there to Fedex the home, the carry my clothes and stuff in my backpack.

They don't give you to much of hard time with a rifle ? I guess if you are kama'aina you are not bringing it into the state , just traveling with it ? I wish I had known someone who lived rural when I was there . It was before the internet and cell phones , so trying to get info was a little harder then . Beautiful state and some of the best food I've ever ate .

 

[LoonWulf]

They don't give you to much of hard time with a rifle ? I guess if you are kama'aina you are not bringing it into the state , just traveling with it ? I wish I had known someone who lived rural when I was there . It was before the internet and cell phones , so trying to get info was a little harder then . Beautiful state and some of the best food I've ever ate .

Nah, its just another piece of luggage. I usually fly mokulele, so size if item's is a little smaller, but neve had an issue with at 50qrt and rifle case.