Light Loads for .40 S&W

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I did a lot of load development with my M&P40 and swapped back and forth between the stock barrel and a 9mm barrel.
Not surprisingly a 180g 40 bullet at the same PF gives me virtually the same recoil as a 120g 9mm bullet with a comparable PF.

I settled on 3.0g Clays which averaged 766 fps with the 180g bullet. This felt identical to 5.0g BE-86 with a 120g 9mm bullet at 1150 fps. Both have a PF of around 138.
For even lower recoiling, I got full reliability at 2.7g Clays and started getting failures to lock back about 25% of the time on the last shot at 2.5g. Red Dot gave nearly the same performance as did Titewad (not Titegroup).

Bullseye is a dirty (sooty) enough powder at full pressures so I didn't test it at low pressures where it will be even more sooty.

What you want is a good pressure build up without developing too much velocity out of the barrel which produces recoil. Seating the bullet deeper will also help drive the pressure up without driving the velocity up at an equivalent rate. I seat my 401-175-TC's to 1.10" OAL where the cone meets the case mouth. A good strategy is to start with a load and work your way down until you start getting failures to lock back or failures to cycle. This will happen way before you get a stuck bullet so if you work down carefully, you'll find a good load. If you get really smokey shots or excessive soot, you are probably below the pressure where the powder likes to burn. Switch to a faster powder.

3g of just about any of the fastest powders is a good low velocity low recoil load for 40 S&W. Other good candidate powders would be Clay Dot, e3, Extra Lite, Nitro100, Solo1000, R1 and N310.
 
Great post @rsrocket1, thanks for your insight. Excellent information there...

BTW, I am a Sacramento native as well (actually lived there from 3rd grade until I was 28 YO).
 
It seems that the target PF for light loads in 40 S&W based on your postings is in the 130's. I have not intentionally tried to go as low as possible, but this week I tested another load that produced a PF in the 130's. This one is using a 165gr bulle. This was my starting load and have not tried anything lower:

40SW, P229, 3.9"
Case: FC
COL: 1.125"
Pulled, 165gr, FMJRNFP, SportPistol, 4.8gr, GINEXSP
Average: 832
ES: 44
SD: 19.7
Force: 254
PF: 137
Velocities: 841, 815, 851, 846, 807
Grouping @ 15yd: 0.84"
Test Date: 04/17/2018
 
I am putting these loads on the back burner for a while.

I ran into some issues at a match this past weekend where I lost my front sight on the 2011, so I switched to my backup 9mm gun using my light 9mm loads. I never expected to shoot it, so this is all my fault, but I replaced the recoil spring last week before the match (totally unrelated to the match) and had not tested it yet... the light loads would not cycle my 9mm with the new spring. Ugh. What a disaster, first to lose a front sight on my main gun then to have the backup experience continual jams and stovepipes.

I have now decided not to push any limits for anything related to competition.

Steel matches will now use my 9mm with full-power loads, and USPSA will now use my 2011 competition gun with full-power .40 loads. Done.

No more tricks or having to worry about swapping springs, etc.

Now I may still develop and shoot lighter loads, but not for competition. For example, my light 9mm mouse farts loads are great for use with my wife or daughter who still feel that the 9mm is a bit much for them. I will go with a lighter spring for those "plinking days", but never again during competition.

Lesson learned.

Sometimes we can outsmart ourselves...
 
Are you shooting major or minor of in the 40?

sorry to hear about your struggles, I discovered that Tula, C B, and some S&B brass wants to hang up in my 9mm conversion barrel for the Glock 35, so for the next few hundred rounds I’m sorting by headstamp

Luckily it happened during a range session and not a match
 
I shoot major in .40 for USPSA, but was looking for some soft .40 loads for steel. Decided to just shoot the 9mm for steel and forget the light loads.

The issues I was having were with the 9mm with the light loads that I had worked up for that gun, not the .40. They worked fine before I replaced the recoil spring!!! :fire:

Haha!!! I obviously should have tested before the match, but honestly it never dawned on me that I might have to use the gun. I always bring it "just in case" however.
 
That's why I shot USPSA with two Glock 22s and 40-9 conversion barrels along with spare parts in the range bag . Any issues, just grab the second pistol or repair between stages.

But I never experienced pistol related issues.
 
I shoot IPSC major and my favorite lite load is a heavy 220 grain coated bullet with 3.6 grains of Vihta Vouri N320 loaded to an OAL of 1.170". This is safe for MY gun, no signs of over-pressure. Recoil is more of a push, like a hardball 45, rather than the snap of a hot 40. My KKM barrel has a Tungsten sleeve and 9lb recoil spring, 17 lb main spring. Muzzle flip is minimal due to the light load and heavy barrel. YMMV of course
 
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