Shawn Michael
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While I constantly hear autoloader users talking about the thousands and thousands of rounds they shoot without malfunctions, I sometimes wonder. Spending a lot of time at shooting ranges I see a LOT of autoloader failures...the most common and prominent one "failure to go into battery" so you see the guy who has to push the slide forward those few milimeters every shot to get the arm to function. I have had this problem too often with well maintained autos and factory ammo.
While I think for military and many LEO applications autos are the obvious choice, for home defense I really have come to feel a lot better with revovlers.
My personal choice is a SW Military and Police 8 shot .357 revovler with a streamlight on the bottom rail. With California high cap ban and practice with moonclips getting faster and faster, I feel pretty good.
Autoloaders have more firepower and reload faster (though someone who drills with moonclips can get really close to a lesser trained with and auto) Autoloaders have a faster cycle rate, though that too seems to depend on the caliber and operator. Watch some competitive revolver shooters, it is amazing.
REVOLVERS
1) Generally more reliable because they are more simple
2) Can recover far more rapidly from the most common cause of failure (ammo problems)
3) More likely to function under extream stress: In "The bullet proof mind" Col Grossman details numerous accounts of effects of extream stress which often include shaking, weakness "jelly hands", inability to complete simple mechanical functions like the very common phenomena of not being able to DIAL 911 because of severe shaking, which does not bode well for clearing a jam, having, not limp wristing, or working with safties!
This could far and away be the end of the list
4) Pressure on the front of many auto will cause them to go out of battery and fail. In a close quarters quarrle this is an important factor. If you jam an auto in someones ribs or have to shoot in close quarters it is more likely to be obstructed and fail.
5) Revolvers will shoot many differnt types of ammo which makes them more versatile and again more reliable as the gun does not have a power threashold needed to cycle.
6) Revlover will go off standing on your head with a broken arm as long as you can squeeze the trigger, it will cycle. No limp wrist syndrome. (I can get my glock 23 to fail to go into battery almost every time with limp wrist)
7) LEO organizations report increased accidental discharges with autos (causing call for modifications such as "new york trigger" on glocks etc) If the professionals are having more problems non professionals would seem to be at greater risk
Can you add to the list?
While I think for military and many LEO applications autos are the obvious choice, for home defense I really have come to feel a lot better with revovlers.
My personal choice is a SW Military and Police 8 shot .357 revovler with a streamlight on the bottom rail. With California high cap ban and practice with moonclips getting faster and faster, I feel pretty good.
Autoloaders have more firepower and reload faster (though someone who drills with moonclips can get really close to a lesser trained with and auto) Autoloaders have a faster cycle rate, though that too seems to depend on the caliber and operator. Watch some competitive revolver shooters, it is amazing.
REVOLVERS
1) Generally more reliable because they are more simple
2) Can recover far more rapidly from the most common cause of failure (ammo problems)
3) More likely to function under extream stress: In "The bullet proof mind" Col Grossman details numerous accounts of effects of extream stress which often include shaking, weakness "jelly hands", inability to complete simple mechanical functions like the very common phenomena of not being able to DIAL 911 because of severe shaking, which does not bode well for clearing a jam, having, not limp wristing, or working with safties!
This could far and away be the end of the list
4) Pressure on the front of many auto will cause them to go out of battery and fail. In a close quarters quarrle this is an important factor. If you jam an auto in someones ribs or have to shoot in close quarters it is more likely to be obstructed and fail.
5) Revolvers will shoot many differnt types of ammo which makes them more versatile and again more reliable as the gun does not have a power threashold needed to cycle.
6) Revlover will go off standing on your head with a broken arm as long as you can squeeze the trigger, it will cycle. No limp wrist syndrome. (I can get my glock 23 to fail to go into battery almost every time with limp wrist)
7) LEO organizations report increased accidental discharges with autos (causing call for modifications such as "new york trigger" on glocks etc) If the professionals are having more problems non professionals would seem to be at greater risk
Can you add to the list?
