List of bottlenecks

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I am curious to see how many bottleneck pistol cartridges there are. I want to get a list of calibers and year of introduction so I can look at trends asi think that the bottleneck handgun is picking up steam like bottleneck rifles did around the turn of the century.

The ones I know of are
256win mag-1960
22tcm-2010
Fn5.7 1990 for this purpose
.357 sig-1994
25naa -1999
32naa-2002
22 hornet-1923?
Technically .223-5.56 and 7.62-.308 but they don't count. I will look the dates up for those and edit to include.
 
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357sig was introduced in 1994
400 corbon was introduced in 1997
These are the only 2 bottleneck rounds I own pistols for.
I look forward the the other posts.
 
I've got a .400 Cor Bon bbl for my 1911

.44-40 is sorta bottle neck in a step
but it's ofshoot the .38-40 are 19th century bottlenecks.

also .32-20 necked down is a .25-20 and to .22 it is .219 Bee?

.22 Jet is the necked down .357 Mag found in the S&W Model 53
it had a long taper and the cylinder had inserts for .22 LR unobtanium stuff.

.38-45 was early '60s for a low pressure CF 1911 alternative bullseye

what's the 10mm AUto necked down a 9x23 Dillon?

R-
 
what's the 10mm AUto necked down a 9x23 Dillon?
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9x25 Dillon.

There was a necked down version of the .41 Action Express called the 9mm Action Express. Sort of a weird round--9mm on both ends (9mm bullet & case with 9mm rebated rim) and .41 caliber in the middle.
 
.30 luger (7.65x21)
7.65x25 Borchardt
7.62x25 Tokarev
7.63x25 Mauser
8x22mm Nambu
7x20mm Nambu
9x25 Dillon
 
7.65 Parabellum. This was created around 1900. The Swiss adopted it for a small number of pistols but the German army wanted more "oomph" so the bottleneck was eliminated and, viola, the 9mm Parabellum, 9 X 19, 9mm NATO etc.

Lyman 49 lists load data for the original 7.65 round and it looks pretty good. Don't know why it isn't more popular.

Dan

Sorry, I see crazyjennyblack already has it listed under one its other names, 30 Luger.
 
Perhaps I do need a copy of cartridges of the world.

It strikes me as odd that rifle cartridges pretty much universally went bottleneck for efficiency where handguns stayed straight walled for the most part. If anything it seems more practical for the handgun to have gone bottleneck as high velocity creates expansion and fragmentation respectively based upon bullet design. With a rifle your poking a hole at a distance where you can pull a handgun and defend should an angry lion, moose, or methhead attack. Handgun should be high velocity high damage high efficiency last defense trouble stopper. Small bullets do this very well at high speed. Rather than simply a hole to whatever body part with a standard (insert straight caliber) bullet, a smaller, lighter, faster bullet delivers the same force but the bullet creates damage through a pressure channel, or shreds meat bone and organs with an explosive type hollow point.

Perfect example, my first few deer were killed with factory loads through a .256 Winchester magnum. It is a no-recoil bottleneck handgun round which is a .357mag necked down to .257 with a 60gr hollowpoint. Those deer had chunks of chest cavity turned to mush. Move up to a 9mm shooting magtech defense ammo, a deer was hit hard and ran 200 yds and had no mush area.

Translate this over to defense. Put a .256 into a methhead and his heart is shredded. So are his lungs. If they aren't hit, the nerves operating the body are. Methhead isn't doing well to put it nicely. They likely have a softball sized void 3 inches in where they got hit. Put a 9mm into one...poke a big hole in the heart but it's nothing like shredding it. Your fighting for a while until he bleeds out.

Give me a 45gap necked down to .355 with a hollowpoint moving in the 2000fps range. Very much concievable. Give me a 9x19 necked to .308 and we keep the round count up. I truly hope we are ready to see a change towards bottleneck handguns as they are as good if not better than straight cased cartridges in most categories plus they feed more reliably. Where is the downside?

To contradict myself I don't own .357sig yet because every one I have picked up fits me like crap. Seriously people, beretta 92 conversion barrel to .357 sig can't be too complicated.
 
When I saw "bottlenecks" I was going to mention I-65 through Louisville but then I saw that you were talking about cartridges. :p
 
I65 in general. Bad through Louisville, but worse through Nashville. 24/40/65 is the worst since I go into Nashville by 24. Not pleasant.
 
It doesn't seem to me that bottlenecked handgun rounds are "picking up steam". As far as I know, of those introduced over the last 50 years only the 357 Sig picked up any steam and it's arguable how much. Most of the others (of the under 50 year old and less group) have a small niche and their fans but no big market.

I think that what makes bottle necked cartridges useful in long guns does not transfer over so easily to handguns.

But anyway it is useful to look at all of them and see what they bring.

The 30 Luger seems like it could be a good varmint round. Could be that what held it back in this was the lack of good bullets.

tipoc
 
The 32-20 Winchester was originally built as a rifle cartridge that made it's way to handguns. A very good round. A rather gentle bottleneck on that one.

tipoc
 
West, you're not going to get enough extra umph just by bottlenecking a pistol cartridge, for the most part anyway. The usual number cited where velocity really matters is over 2000 FPS. You're barely getting that with 9x25 Dillon, let alone any of the others.

I think the reason they haven't picked up is because people look at the hole made by the .40 S&W and the .357 sig, and see that in most cases, the .40 makes a bigger hole. The .40 is cheaper and otherwise similar enough that it is preferable over the .357 sig. Same thing with any other bottlenecked pistol cartridge (except 5.7x28mm), where you essentially have a smaller hole with the same capacity and greater price.

In a rifle, where you are getting the velocity you would want, it's a different story. Rifle magazines can be oversized without affecting the function of the weapon. How many weapons fit a standard .223 magazine into the grip? Virtually none, because they don't have to.

Now, this isn't to say there aren't advantages for .357 sig over .40 S&W and 9x19mm. But for the vast majority of shooters, those advantages will never be noticed.
 
9x22 Fiocchi (aka 9x22 Major);
.357/44 Bain & Davis;
38-45 Auto;
38-45 HH;
9mm Action Express;
9mm Mars.
 
The 44-40 also began life as a long gun cartridge. Later went to handguns.

tipoc
 
Advantages of Bottleneck cartrdges

* higher velocity iwth necked down from parent cartrdge

Disadvantages:

* higher velocity with lighter bullets
that have less Momentum
* same number of ccartrdge capacity in a magazine
* Brass cases of bottlenecks are more expensive to
create with multiple steps in creating the brass cases
* & more issues in rlading

Starline Brass Current prices

Parent case followed by bottleneck

9x19 $ 74.00 per 500 new cases
.30 Luger $ 101.00 per 500 cases

.44-40 $ 116.00 per 500 cases
.38-40 $ 136.50 per 500 cases

.32-20 $ 111.00 per 500 new cases

40 S&W $ 90.00 per 500 new cases
.357 Sig $ 103.50 per 500 cases

.45 ACP $ 94.00 per 500 new cases
.45 ACP +P $ 102.00 per 500 cases
.400 CorBon $ 121.00 per 500 cases
 
The .44-40 was designed for the 1873 Win. Lever rifle
so it was natural to chamber the COlt SAA for it as well.

The .32-20 besides rifles and the Colt SAA
S&W offered the 1st Model hand ejector 1898
which became the K frame in .32-20 some
with adj. rear sight.

R-
 
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