Yep, that's it, and while it does a great "Modified" roll crimp, it is way to sharp for a proper taper crimp and makes adjustment for it very critical.My Hornady 9mm and 38-Super seating dies did the exact same thing....................I even took pictures.
Good callGet a proper crimp die, it appears that Hornady cheats and uses the same insert for 9MM and .38, using an in between angle on the crimp ledge. Either way, the ledge is not ideal, especially for a taper "crimp". Or if you have a lathe, make a proper insert.
Sounds like you are getting things sorted outGood morning everyone. Time for an update.
I sent the video and email describing my problem to Hornady Friday around 9:30 AM. As of now, I have heard nothing back. If I do, I will post it here.
I do wet tumble and I did try lubing the cases, if the binding was a 10, the case lube reduced it to an 8. Slight difference only.
I backed the die out in increments of 1/4 turn until I got to two full turns out. Any crimp and the binding continued. I looked at modifying the die as suggested but then thought, screw that and reinstalled my Lee dies. Within 20 minutes I had my first loaded test round. The Lee dies work. And work flawlessly!
I am so disappointed in Hornady.
The sizing die is crap. The expander die either has not enough flair and I have to guide the bullet into the seating die by hand or flairs too much that the bullet falls into the case of it's own weight. Seriously, I adjusted in tiny increments and a fraction of a turn was not enough and a fraction more was too much. When I crimped, it was pretty much undetectable on the calipers. If I had no crimp, the bullet easily pushed back into the case with not very much pressure placed on the tip against the bench. I do understand that neck tension not crimp holds the bullet in place, but for whatever reason, this die just did not do it's job.
I picked up the PTX insert for the powder drop and it does work as advertised. At least something does and I was able to get rid of the expander die.
I am sorry I spent the money on the LNL thinking it was better quality then the Lee Classic. Yes, it is all metal and bigger, but that does not always make it better. I chose it over the Lee breech lock or load master because of the hundreds of videos of how they are so finicky and need constant adjustment. I don't know if Dillon is better, but based on this experience, I am out about $500 for something that is no better than what I already had and glad I did not spend the $1,300 on the Dillon.
Now, I am having primer feed issues. When it decides to set a primer it works fine. Most times as I cycle the press handle forward to set a primer the shell plate is of by about 1/4" off and is indexing too far. This is happening when I run a single case through the complete loading cycle. I am a long way from trusting this press to go full AP. So far, the priming portion is spongy and not very solid as the press handle is pushed forward. There is no real "feel" of the primer seating as with the Lee Classic. I will keep plugging away and figure this out too.
I can't believe the poor quality of the Hornady dies. Both the seat/crimp dies I have are garbage. I do not feel like I (or any of us) should have to modify a brand new product to get it to work properly. Yes, we all like to tinker, but this is way past tinker. It is not only us in this thread that have had the problem with the Hornady seat/crimp die, but in reading on the internet, it is a common problem. Which also makes me angry at the Hornady customer service call I made last week and was told that they have never heard of that. I say B.S.! We will see if they reply to my email or not. I will be returning my 3 die set to Cabela's tomorrow and the single seat/crimp die to Midway USA
I hope to get the bugs worked out of the priming issue and be able to take full advantage of this press. I already de-prime off the press because it makes such a mess on the press and I like to wet tumble to get the primer pockets clean. I don't want to have to prime off the press too.
Happy Sunday to y'all and thank you for your interest and help getting this resolved.
Good morning everyone. Time for an update.
I sent the video and email describing my problem to Hornady Friday around 9:30 AM. As of now, I have heard nothing back. If I do, I will post it here.
I do wet tumble and I did try lubing the cases, if the binding was a 10, the case lube reduced it to an 8. Slight difference only.
I backed the die out in increments of 1/4 turn until I got to two full turns out. Any crimp and the binding continued. I looked at modifying the die as suggested but then thought, screw that and reinstalled my Lee dies. Within 20 minutes I had my first loaded test round. The Lee dies work. And work flawlessly!
I am so disappointed in Hornady.
The sizing die is crap. The expander die either has not enough flair and I have to guide the bullet into the seating die by hand or flairs too much that the bullet falls into the case of it's own weight. Seriously, I adjusted in tiny increments and a fraction of a turn was not enough and a fraction more was too much. When I crimped, it was pretty much undetectable on the calipers. If I had no crimp, the bullet easily pushed back into the case with not very much pressure placed on the tip against the bench. I do understand that neck tension not crimp holds the bullet in place, but for whatever reason, this die just did not do it's job.
I picked up the PTX insert for the powder drop and it does work as advertised. At least something does and I was able to get rid of the expander die.
I am sorry I spent the money on the LNL thinking it was better quality then the Lee Classic. Yes, it is all metal and bigger, but that does not always make it better. I chose it over the Lee breech lock or load master because of the hundreds of videos of how they are so finicky and need constant adjustment. I don't know if Dillon is better, but based on this experience, I am out about $500 for something that is no better than what I already had and glad I did not spend the $1,300 on the Dillon.
Now, I am having primer feed issues. When it decides to set a primer it works fine. Most times as I cycle the press handle forward to set a primer the shell plate is of by about 1/4" off and is indexing too far. This is happening when I run a single case through the complete loading cycle. I am a long way from trusting this press to go full AP. So far, the priming portion is spongy and not very solid as the press handle is pushed forward. There is no real "feel" of the primer seating as with the Lee Classic. I will keep plugging away and figure this out too.
I can't believe the poor quality of the Hornady dies. Both the seat/crimp dies I have are garbage. I do not feel like I (or any of us) should have to modify a brand new product to get it to work properly. Yes, we all like to tinker, but this is way past tinker. It is not only us in this thread that have had the problem with the Hornady seat/crimp die, but in reading on the internet, it is a common problem. Which also makes me angry at the Hornady customer service call I made last week and was told that they have never heard of that. I say B.S.! We will see if they reply to my email or not. I will be returning my 3 die set to Cabela's tomorrow and the single seat/crimp die to Midway USA
I hope to get the bugs worked out of the priming issue and be able to take full advantage of this press. I already de-prime off the press because it makes such a mess on the press and I like to wet tumble to get the primer pockets clean. I don't want to have to prime off the press too.
Happy Sunday to y'all and thank you for your interest and help getting this resolved.
Howdy, haven't yaked at you in a while
Maybe a bad shellplate, but your balls might need to be adjusted.
Some users report needing to tap their balls with a hammer.
@Dudedog Hello!!
I have the second die. It is in the case ready to go back. The old Lee dies work perfect and I will never use the Hornady dies again. I paid good money for this setup and I do not think it is right to have to screw with this like this. If this is how Hornady represents themselves, then I am very disappointed and feel I have been taken advantage of. I would rather pay more money to purchase something that works correctly out of the box. I have been trying to set this up since last Friday afternoon and it is still not right.
Okay, here is a video of the indexing problem
I understand about the pawls, but wouldn't this happen all of the time?
Right now it is every 2nd or 3rd cycle of the ram. It doesn't matter if it is a full lift of the ram or just enough to get the shell plate to move to the next station.
Is this the pawls being off? Why does it happen on the second or third cycle?
powder measure is throwing between 3.9 and 4.1
You made me laugh out loud...
I'm not sure how hammering my balls could affect my press, but I will try it. LOL
Watch Highboy videos on pawl timing and primer set up, you will be good... Hornady will take care of your die issue mate.Good morning everyone. Time for an update.
I sent the video and email describing my problem to Hornady Friday around 9:30 AM. As of now, I have heard nothing back. If I do, I will post it here.
I do wet tumble and I did try lubing the cases, if the binding was a 10, the case lube reduced it to an 8. Slight difference only.
I backed the die out in increments of 1/4 turn until I got to two full turns out. Any crimp and the binding continued. I looked at modifying the die as suggested but then thought, screw that and reinstalled my Lee dies. Within 20 minutes I had my first loaded test round. The Lee dies work. And work flawlessly!
I am so disappointed in Hornady.
The sizing die is crap. The expander die either has not enough flair and I have to guide the bullet into the seating die by hand or flairs too much that the bullet falls into the case of it's own weight. Seriously, I adjusted in tiny increments and a fraction of a turn was not enough and a fraction more was too much. When I crimped, it was pretty much undetectable on the calipers. If I had no crimp, the bullet easily pushed back into the case with not very much pressure placed on the tip against the bench. I do understand that neck tension not crimp holds the bullet in place, but for whatever reason, this die just did not do it's job.
I picked up the PTX insert for the powder drop and it does work as advertised. At least something does and I was able to get rid of the expander die.
I am sorry I spent the money on the LNL thinking it was better quality then the Lee Classic. Yes, it is all metal and bigger, but that does not always make it better. I chose it over the Lee breech lock or load master because of the hundreds of videos of how they are so finicky and need constant adjustment. I don't know if Dillon is better, but based on this experience, I am out about $500 for something that is no better than what I already had and glad I did not spend the $1,300 on the Dillon.
Now, I am having primer feed issues. When it decides to set a primer it works fine. Most times as I cycle the press handle forward to set a primer the shell plate is of by about 1/4" off and is indexing too far. This is happening when I run a single case through the complete loading cycle. I am a long way from trusting this press to go full AP. So far, the priming portion is spongy and not very solid as the press handle is pushed forward. There is no real "feel" of the primer seating as with the Lee Classic. I will keep plugging away and figure this out too.
I can't believe the poor quality of the Hornady dies. Both the seat/crimp dies I have are garbage. I do not feel like I (or any of us) should have to modify a brand new product to get it to work properly. Yes, we all like to tinker, but this is way past tinker. It is not only us in this thread that have had the problem with the Hornady seat/crimp die, but in reading on the internet, it is a common problem. Which also makes me angry at the Hornady customer service call I made last week and was told that they have never heard of that. I say B.S.! We will see if they reply to my email or not. I will be returning my 3 die set to Cabela's tomorrow and the single seat/crimp die to Midway USA
I hope to get the bugs worked out of the priming issue and be able to take full advantage of this press. I already de-prime off the press because it makes such a mess on the press and I like to wet tumble to get the primer pockets clean. I don't want to have to prime off the press too.
Happy Sunday to y'all and thank you for your interest and help getting this resolved.