Long arm gun safe.

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lurkersince03

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Okay so this really isn't a rifle question, specifically, but it does involve them. As per usual, I like to give some backstory before I get to the point. I've been weary about owning two semi-auto rifles (RomAK and an AR-15 variant), and leaving them home "hidden." We have some punk ass kids in the neighborhood who, I wouldn't put past them, could break into my home and steal them. There have been incidents years ago, some of which were in broad daylight while the rest of the neighborhood was at work, but of the kids who used to break (or try to break) into people's homes, one of them got shot in the back of the neck from the drug dealer home-owner and consequentially died. This was maybe six or seven years ago, and the neighborhood went through a quiet period up until recently.

More single mother families with unruly teenage kids have moved into the neighborhood, some of the good oldbies have moved away leaving behind a dwindling community watch. This used to be a great neighborhood back when we moved into it in '89, but now it seems like this element keeps trying to ghettofy everything they touch to perpetuate that thug life mentality here in the mean streets of Spring Lake (Fort Bragg, NC) :rolleyes: by putting up dozens of basketball hoops in the streets, buying and walking pit bulls and more.. pit bulls, turning the homes and yards of the those that moved away (of whom I used to be good friends with) into dirty, trash-strewn messes, all in stark contrast to the people in the neighborhood who have been here longer. I've done my best to keep my rifles hidden so no one knows I own these somewhat desirable weapons, but I've slipped a few times and I'm sure they know I've got "some stuff." It's summer now and the kids aren't in school during the day anymore. My neighbor's a white trash, single mother family with a punk ass teenage white boy kid who hangs with the rest of the wanna be thugs and even if they were home at the time my house was being robbed, they'd probably turn a blind eye because they're friends with the family of the kid(s) who are doing the breaking in. I go to classes during the day and mom stays home while I'm gone, but she's a fragile old korean woman who wouldn't know what to do with any of these guns even if I instructed her. She stays home a majority of the time but I can't count on her to stay home all of the time. Dad goes to work during the day, and unless either mom and/or myself are home, the house is pretty much unprotected. We have three Jack Russell terriers... but they're not guard/attack dogs.

Anyway. I need a gun-safe. And I need one fast. And by fast, I mean within a means of $400/$500, money that I have now, rather than saving up for the next two months to afford some unnecessarily huge $900 safe that I'd need crane-lifted into my home. I want something small enough that can hold at least four long arms and be placed somewhere like in my closet, but be burglar safe. And I'm trying to search the internet for some results, but so far I'm not finding much except discontinued models. Shipping must be insane for some of these things.

I don't want my home to be broken into at all, but more importantly, I do not want these weapons on the street in the hands of trouble making punk ass kids, some of whom I've observed grow up. Maybe I'm being paranoid. Maybe they're all just really scared to death of me and think I'm a gun-nut that wouldn't hesitate to ventilate a fool for tresspassing. But I can't keep risking it. I need to get this taken care of, without putting out a loan to do it. Does anyone have any suggestions? Much love for anyone who who can help.
 
I just bought two Winchester safes from Sams Club.
60"x30"x22"
575 lbs
$581 each

I did a lot of searching around and felt the Winchester safes were the best buy.
 
Winchester from Sam's also. Good deal, electronic combo is fast and simple. You can even work it in the dark by feel. Try that with a dial!
 
Awesome. How did you guys get them into your home and where you wanted them? Hauling seems to be such a daunting task, even for a first-floor endeavor.
 
It all depends on how much help you have. I just moved to Kentucky and don't know anybody here so the 1000lb safes were out of the question. I have fairly tall porches front and back on my house. What I did was rent a U-Haul truck with a ramp and also one of their refrigerator carts. Sams Club loaded the safes on the truck with a forklift. I backed the truck up to my back porch and pulled out the ramp onto my back porch. I then unbolted the safe from the pallet and placed it on the refrigerator cart. I was then able to wheel it into the house.
 
+1 on Sam's Club

We bought one for my Dad (I use it now too :) ) for Christmas. $581
Looks nice and does the job.
They loaded it into a small trailer we have and we tied it down. We used a dolly (hand truck) to move it into the house. Took card board off and put it on dolly again and put it where we wanted it.
They are heavy but two guys and move it with a good dolly. Load it full of ammo and rifles and it becomes VERY heavy.
 
Lurker;

In your case, the anything is better than nothing card is certainly in play. By all means, get the RSC that secures your arms at the best price you can. Look more to the build than the features. By that I mean, go for thicker walls, as in 10 guage over 12 guage, and a plate steel door rather than a sheet metal wrap, rather than better paint, or electronic lock, or nicer carpet in the interior. Spend the money where it counts rather than on convenience or looks.

RSC's rely more on an intimidation factor than true build quality in order to deter the thief, but there's no sense in getting any less than you have to. Do keep in mind that if one of your neighborhood punks has been to "charm school", it's entirely possible that somebody in the area knows how to compromise your RSC. In other words, don't rely on the container itself to provide all the protection. Stealth is an important factor in your type of situation. Hide the RSC if at all possible. Anchor it to the wall(s) or floor if at all possible. After all, it's highly likely that the punks are gonna see it go into your home. Peeling an RSC is literally almost child's play for the criminally educated.

As for moving, the refridgerator cart usually works fine for RSC's, they're lightweights. However, if you have to go across any soft ground or deep carpet, get some stabilizing plywood, or whatever, to eliminate any side-to-side careening that can ruin your day.

I am a professional locksmith & sell true safes for a living.

900F
 
Thank you all very much. Looks like it's time to scout out our local Sam's Club. :)

CB900F: some very helpful information, thank you. I seriously doubt these sorts of kids are that sophisticated, but it doesn't mean they don't know someone with the proper skill set. And logically, it'd make sense to emphasize burglar deterrant and resistance, exactly what I was looking into, rather than fire proofing and looks (I could honestly care less about looks). I also agree with stealth, since I currently have to hide my weapons through some very clever means which are by no means intuitive, but they're still not "secure" by my definition. I'll have to keep my eye open to these details. Again, thanks.

By the way, how does the electronic system work? Battery powered, plug-in? What if the battery runs out of the power is out?
 
I'm looking for a gun safe too. I'm not concerned about theft. I am just concerned about my kid. In otherwords, I don't need a really heavy safe. In fact, I can get by with anything that locks. I don't necessarily want the cheapest safe on the market, so what other things should I be considering?
 
My local gun shop sells the most expensive safes that you
can get. Outstandingly nice. They have a dolly type machine
that walks the safes up and down stairs.

Some of these are over $2000. Way out of my price.

The best advice I have gotten from them is buy a cheap
Safe, not the Wal-Mart one for $100. But a $400 to $500
One and bolt it to the wall and floor. Then fill it with concrete.
Weld the door shut and hide your guns elsewhere.


Tinker2
 
The best advice I have gotten from them is buy a cheap
Safe, not the Wal-Mart one for $100. But a $400 to $500

that means those metal cabinets....Cheap, stamped metal lockers, well they are worse than my old school locker. Spend the extra $200-$300, get a Sentry, Stack-On, if your collection is less than $1000. If you live out in the country, get a fire proof safe, houses don't burn down to the ground usally in the city, spend it on more security. For a $1000-$3000 colection, get a $600 safe, if more than $3000, get a $1000 safe. For $5000 or more, get a real safe. If you have 3-5 guns, get a 10-12 gun, 6-12 guns, a 20 gun, 12-15 guns a 25, etc. Most claims of capacity, are very overrated! And you will not outgrow it that soon. Bolt it to the floor, and wall, stack it full with bricks, change, ammo, shot, bullets, etc. You can always buy used from a local dealer, or an auction. I got $2500 safe with !/2" doors, removable shelves, with fire proofing for $150! All I had to do is to make a gun rack inside. Put it in the basement, if you have one. Why, theives don't look down there, it is harder to get out, and fire doesn't get as hot as the upper floors. If it gets wet, get in there and wipe and oil as soon as you can. Also, don't buy the electronic locks, ask CB900 how many he had to open!!! Get a good S and B manual lock, those are hard to defeit.
At least get some sort of RSC, most prep's will bypass them, not wanting to spend the time openning them....or haul them away....
 
Fella's;

As for the electronic vs mechanical debate, the honest answer is: "it depends". Cheap is cheap & either type of cheap will fail. Given that there are about 1.8 gigatimes more mechanicals out there than electronic right now, I actually service more mechanical combo locks than electronics. Given that, I have an electronic on my last two personal safes.

Tinker 2, I'm curious as to what safe brand that gun shop is carrying. Care to share? As a comparison with I know not what, the smallest, lightest, true safe I have for home gun storage weighs 1100 pounds, and it's cost is rather over $2,000.00. And that's a plain-jane unit. My point is that looks mean nothing really in the forum of protection. Plate steel talks & enamel paint walks, if you get my drift.

900F
 
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